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Discussion: The 'Phoenix' files

JUNE 23, 2003 at 2:37 PM

Posted by CHEESER
Source: HPANA

So, you've read Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix, and pretty darn quick, too. Like many others around the world, you have a sore neck and strained eyes, the result of reading an 870-page book in two or three days. Now you want to share your arduous journey with others. This is the place to do it.

First I'll offer my own thoughts (LET THE SPOILERS BEGIN).

One word: WOW. And I thought the Dursleys were mean. As I'm thinking of where to begin talking about Order of the Phoenix, the one thing that keeps coming to the forefront of my mind is the book's grave look into the corruption and abuse of power (and vice-versa, the power of abuse and corruption). Whether found in the annals of history or safely between the book covers of children's fiction, it can be accurately restated that absolute power corrupts absolutely.

More on that later, but first, the death: How many of you were right? Raise your hands. Sirius was definitely on my short-list. When JK said a major character was going to die, I knew it wouldn't be any of the trio, I thought it might be an older Weasley, but then my thoughts turned to Sirius. He was given to Harry, so how painful could it be to have him taken away? That was my reasoning, anyway.

Is Cho finally "over-and-out"? Will the Weasley twins' business continue to succeed? Does the Ministry now understand how much it needs Dumbledore?

UPDATE: We now have a full-fledged forum available. Click here to start using it!

Q: What will happen to the content here?

A: Everything will be saved. In fact, I'd like recommendations on what to do with all the great posts here. Can we move some of it into the new forum? Just link back to it? Let me know (just mention my name, Cheeser, in any post).

Q: I don't like change! Waaaa!

A: That's not a question, but I understand. The new system is capable of so much more, including separate threads so people can have detailed conversations about certain aspects of the book. You can still have a free-for-all thread, too. It's your forum! Do whatever you want with it.

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Witch

House: Gryffindor
Points: 661

Flitterbloom says:

Tonks Black - I think that McGonagall staying with Harry could definitly happen. And I agree with Imperio that she's probably going to take on a much larger role in the 6th book. As I belive that Dumbledore may soon leave us, McGonagall would be my guess to take over as headmisstress at Hogwarts. Didn't someone mention that JKR said someone was going to learn magic later in life? Someone's answer to that was perhaps it's Neville.. but I believe Neville knew magic all along. I still think it may be Petunia.. She seems to know more about the magical world then even she realises..

Posted Jul 11, 2003 at 10:26 AM EST

Head Girl

House: Gryffindor
Points: 479

eclektic says:

wat?! james was a chaser? but i always thought that he was a seeker! i mean, in the movie, hermione showed harry the plaque thing and it said he was a seeker!! im feeling a bit cheated now.. does anyone have the evidence frm the books that sayd he was a chaser? i have to read it for myself before i believe it..

Posted Jul 11, 2003 at 10:30 AM EST

Metamorphmagus

House: Gryffindor
Points: 37939

tonks black says:

maybe petunia really has magic in her blood, but she didnt want to go to hogwarts cause she despised wizards or something like that and if mcgonagall is there with harry, she could possibly teach her

Posted Jul 11, 2003 at 10:30 AM EST

Metamorphmagus

House: Gryffindor
Points: 37939

tonks black says:

hp 100- malfoy threatened harry on the train ride for putting his dad in azkaban i think

Posted Jul 11, 2003 at 10:42 AM EST

Witch

House: Gryffindor
Points: 661

Flitterbloom says:

hp100 - Malfoy says to Harry that the dementors have left Azkaban and that it won't be long before the death eaters are free again. I think that implies that Their fathers were caught in the MOM and put in Azkaban
Tonks Black- I like that idea. We know that more than one child can come to Hogwarts from the same muggle family (Dennis and Colin Creevy) so I think that Petunia having recieved a letter but turned it down could be a big possibility

Posted Jul 11, 2003 at 10:44 AM EST

Witch

House: Gryffindor
Points: 661

Flitterbloom says:

snitch -are u implying that Snape may be happier at this? Omgosh what if he taunts Harry about it? That would be horrible!

Posted Jul 11, 2003 at 11:00 AM EST

Wizard

House: Slytherin
Points: 533

dimtick says:

hp100- I don't think it said where they went. I'm hoping assuming that without the dementors there are other ways to imprisson wizards. I got the impression that the dementors were not around before Voldemort, last time, or they would have joined him then. And if they had joined him before, would the MOM really have put Voldemort supporters to guard other Voldemort supporters?

In response to some discussions from last night.
#1 I do think there will be several people dying next book. They are now openly at war, and in war people die.
#2 I do not think Harry will ever get back together with Cho. Cho does not seem that depressed, she has just been through a death of someone close. When you go through something like that it takes time to move on, and then when you do move on, there are often "triggers" that will bring back those painful feelings. Maybe its a song, a smell or in Cho's case - Harry.
#3 I do not think Harry will end up with Ginny either. The Weasleys have become Harry's family. Dating Ginny is like Harry dating his sister. Yes Ginny is confortable around Harry now, but that is only because she has moved on and now longer has a crush on Harry.

I was wondering if we are supposed to be drawing parellels between Snape/James and Draco/Harry. Should Harry try to mend fences with Draco? Get the impression in OoP that Snape is more the "innocent" victom of James (I'm sure that is not true), yet there is nothing innocent about Draco

Posted Jul 11, 2003 at 11:09 AM EST

Prefect

House: Gryffindor
Points: 339

Marauder says:

I thought about something this morning but forgive me if it's already been talked about.
Yesterday we were talking about why Voldemort told Lily to get out of the way and Grindenwald being Voldemorts teacher. What if the reason he told Lily to move was because she'the grandaugter of his former teacher and was just respecting Grindenwald when he did this.

Posted Jul 11, 2003 at 11:09 AM EST

Prefect

House: Gryffindor
Points: 339

Marauder says:

dimtick- in GoF when DD is talking to Fudge after Voldemort comes back he tells Fudge that he needs to remove the dementors and they get in an argument and DD says some people can't sleep at night nwing that he put Voldemorts most dangerous supporters in charge of Azkaban (or something like that.
Do squibs get letters to go to Hoqwarts since they have no magical powers?

Posted Jul 11, 2003 at 11:13 AM EST

Wizard

House: Slytherin
Points: 533

dimtick says:

Something else...sorry
Does anyone know what the time frame was between the first 4 books. I know 3 years for OoP but what about the rest?
Can we realistacally expect book 6 sooner?

Posted Jul 11, 2003 at 11:14 AM EST

Witch

House: Gryffindor
Points: 661

Flitterbloom says:

dimtick- I agree that I don't think Draco is innocent.. and with this said I don't think him and Harry could ever put their hate for eachother aside.. UNLESS of course.. Draco somehow turns against his father and his "evilness" and teams up with Harry.
Marauder- I think thats a good prediction. There's not really much evidence to support it, but it has a sort of "sense" to it, that you can see it being true.

Posted Jul 11, 2003 at 11:14 AM EST

Metamorphmagus

House: Gryffindor
Points: 37939

tonks black says:

what book was all this gridnenwald stuff in cause i dont remember reading much about him

Posted Jul 11, 2003 at 11:14 AM EST

Prefect

House: Gryffindor
Points: 339

Marauder says:

snitch- do wizards consider squibs as good as muggles? I know it's kind of stupid but thats why I'm wondering this.

Posted Jul 11, 2003 at 11:15 AM EST

Prefect

House: Gryffindor
Points: 339

Marauder says:

tonks black- it was in SS all that was said about him was that DD defeated the ark wizard Grindenwald in 1945 (on the back of DD's chocolate frog card)

Posted Jul 11, 2003 at 11:18 AM EST

Metamorphmagus

House: Gryffindor
Points: 37939

tonks black says:

thanks marauder.
and snitch, isnt the thing about the cat what i said unelss my post didnt go threw?

Posted Jul 11, 2003 at 11:19 AM EST

Prefect

House: Gryffindor
Points: 339

Marauder says:

dimtick- i think 2 years between 3 and 4. I think the first 3 books were writtenin 3 years.
snitch- wouldn't Petunia need some kind of magic in here to learn magic.

Posted Jul 11, 2003 at 11:21 AM EST

Auror

House: Ravenclaw
Points: 2374

TrueBluePotterFan says:

Flitterbloom & Tonks Black - McGonagall may stay in the neighborhood, but I don't think she will stay with Harry. Think about it, If you were a teenage boy would you want a 70 year old female teacher staying in your bedroom?

Posted Jul 11, 2003 at 11:22 AM EST

Witch

House: Gryffindor
Points: 661

Flitterbloom says:

well.. Marauder.. we kinda think that maybe she does have it, and she was accpepted into Hogwarts when she was 11, but she didn't want to go, so he turned it down! It's just a big guess though

Posted Jul 11, 2003 at 11:23 AM EST

Witch

House: Gryffindor
Points: 661

Flitterbloom says:

TrueBluePotterFan - you definitly have a point! lol

Posted Jul 11, 2003 at 11:25 AM EST

Prefect

House: Gryffindor
Points: 339

Marauder says:

hey snitch stop stealin my predictions :)

Posted Jul 11, 2003 at 11:25 AM EST

Prefect

House: Gryffindor
Points: 339

Marauder says:

TrueBluePotterFan- you have a point but if I were Harry I would rather have someone to talk to no matter their age than be alone until someone comes to get me.

Posted Jul 11, 2003 at 11:27 AM EST

Metamorphmagus

House: Gryffindor
Points: 37939

tonks black says:

truebluepotterfan - maybe she wil stay with mrs.figg

Posted Jul 11, 2003 at 11:28 AM EST

Witch

House: Gryffindor
Points: 661

Flitterbloom says:

I think the Durselys should let Ron come and stay with Harry.. that would be sweet!

Posted Jul 11, 2003 at 11:29 AM EST

Chief Quibbler Editor

House: Ravenclaw
Points: 2926

The Obsesser says:

holy cow!!! i leave for a day, and there are 300 more!!!!

anyway, tonks black--about Grindenwald. (Maruder, I was the one who brought it up, anyway.) On Dumbledore's Choclate frog card, it said that he was famous for the defeat of the dark wizard Grindenwald in 1945 . Well, what happened in 1945? (I'm trying to go slow here, tell me if this makes no sense.) That was the year the Axis powers fell, and WWII ended. Well, first of all, if we figure out that Chamber happened in 1992 (1492 was Nick's death, add 500 years) and then we subtract 50, we get 1942, which was the year that Riddle was in his 6th year, and he opened the Chamber. In 1944, he left school, and the next year, Grindenwald was defeated. What if Grindenwald had taught Riddle all his knowledge of the Dark Arts? What if Riddle was Grindenwald's student? What if Grindenwald was not killed, just defeated? And what if Voldy brought his old master back, but as a servant this time?
Does that make any sense, cos I know there are a lot of what-ifs.

dimtick--about the time frame for the first four books: I dunno about their publishing, but I do know that JKR basically finished one, and started the next one the next day, so that when then end of GoF came arouend, she was more than ready for a break.

Posted Jul 11, 2003 at 11:31 AM EST

Auror

House: Ravenclaw
Points: 2374

TrueBluePotterFan says:

hp100 - In US version page 851:
Malfoy...."I'm going to make you pay for what you have done to my father...."
....
"...You can't land my father in prison---"
"I thought I just had," said Harry.
"The dementors have left Azkaban," said Malfoy quietly. "Dad and the others will be out in no time."

This is just before McGonagall returns from St. Mungo.

Posted Jul 11, 2003 at 11:32 AM EST

Chief Quibbler Editor

House: Ravenclaw
Points: 2926

The Obsesser says:

There is no real way that the Dursleys will allow another wizard to stay at their house, although it would be nice for Ron to come...

Posted Jul 11, 2003 at 11:33 AM EST

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