Discussion: The 'Phoenix' files

Witch

House: Gryffindor
Points: 661

Flitterbloom says:

Ok, I'm getting off for the night, but if anyone wants to e-mail with some theories (which i'd be so unbelievably grateful if you did) or you wanna add me to msn messenger go right ahead. andrea_lavery@hotmail.com

TTYL EVERYONE

Posted Jul 11, 2003 at 6:42 PM EST

Auror

House: Gryffindor
Points: 2303

padfoot5312 says:

If she did get a letter she would of went and not think her sister was wierd. (petunia) I believe she would of used it and went to school. She was jealous of her gettin all the attention. She felt that she was left behind and the only one in the family was important was her sister (Remember she said Lily this and Lily that) If they were both going to school that Pet. would feel left behind so unimportant to her parents.

Posted Jul 11, 2003 at 6:45 PM EST

Auror

House: Gryffindor
Points: 2303

padfoot5312 says:

Harry Hermione and Ron love triangle. What! Can't they just be good friends who do things together.

Posted Jul 11, 2003 at 6:47 PM EST

delay says:

I would like to know where the rumour that someone is going to learn magic later in life comes from. I know I have seen it all over the place, but I have never actually seen the source.

Posted Jul 11, 2003 at 6:58 PM EST

delay says:

If someone is going to try to learn later in life we know that there are actually very few possibilities. I doubt strongly that it will be any one of the dursleys (possibly petunia, but I doubt she has it in her...what I really detect from her is jealousy for her sister). Correct me if I am wrong, but a squib has no magic in them and couldn't learn even if they tried. Hagrid already knows magic (dispite the fact that he was expelled). I would guess that it would be a new character.

Posted Jul 11, 2003 at 7:02 PM EST

Professor

House: Gryffindor
Points: 1106

Ima Quidditch Fan says:

Kadyak - I was suggesting the Grey Lady and DD as in Merlin's downfall was the lady. I wonder if the Grey Lady will be a friend or foe.

Jade- just for you a new theory!

Also, does anyone remember when Harry and Hermione were running from the DEs in MOM... the DE that fell into the time room and his head turned into a babys. Harry was going to stun him and Hermione stopped him...
She said, "No, you can't hurt a baby." Clearly, she could have been saying a given... as it shouldn't happen, BUT what if she meant that there is some added protection to very young children... a possibility that helped Harry early in life.

Your thought?

Posted Jul 11, 2003 at 7:16 PM EST

Student

House: Gryffindor
Points: 268

Tadhgain says:

x WaddiWasi x, the Chatroom was great!

You should all come when you get a chance! It's a lot easier to talk about theories...or just to talk with people that have similar interests as you!

Posted Jul 11, 2003 at 7:28 PM EST

Professor

House: Gryffindor
Points: 1106

Ima Quidditch Fan says:

I posted my theories earlier, but as it took me several hours to read through what I missed in one day I will sum them here:

1. Mr. Weasley will be Minister of Magic.

2. Ron will find feelings for Hermione, due to jealousy at Krum. I think that if an old character is the new DADA, then Krum is it.

3. Harry will begin secretly dating Ginny, and Ron will confuse this with Harry having feelins for Hermione. Hermione will be injured/missing, thought dead, due to Ron lashing out at Harry in Book 6, but be back/fine in Book 7.

4. I put a link out to Harry Potter Prognostications site... he has a wonderful point about each DADA representing the theme of each book. The themes being the 7 mysteries of life.. Like pride, and most recently in OOP, trust.... can't trust Umbridge! I can repost it if anyone is interested. I have been dying for someones thoughts on the DADA/theme point.

I will be off-line for about an hour, but if you would like to know more, please let me know.

Cheers!

Posted Jul 11, 2003 at 7:39 PM EST

Old Chortlebones

House: Hufflepuff
Points: 2601

Newt Scamander says:

Ima Quidditch Fan - That is possible, about the whole "babies can't get hurt" theory. However, I doubt it was anything but morals from Hermione because if she knew about a baby's instinctive protection in them, then Voldemort surely would as well, and he probably wouldn't go after Harry when he was so young.

Posted Jul 11, 2003 at 7:39 PM EST

Squib

House: Gryffindor
Points: 164

Kadyak says:

These "outlandish" theories are getting more like "outworldish."

Something to consider here: If we want to look at outlandish ideas for the fun of it, that's fine, as long as we realize that's what we're doing. Otherwise, we are going to get further and further away from what is really likely to happen. Clearly JKR doesn't put in plot twists for the fun of it. Every twist it has a basis for it. If it didn't she'd be taking us all over the universe with twists. If, for example a character suddenly acts completely differently than what the reader expects, a very solid foundation must be laid. People don't just suddenly start acting completely different from their accustomed ways.

Do people really think that Fudge might redeem himself? Would you really want to leave him in office long enough to find out? I should certainly hope not! If he wants to redeem himself, he should expect to do so from some position away from the MoM. He'd be lucky if it weren't from the position of a cell in Azkaban. The biggest thing in his favour on this point is that DD is always ready to give someone a second chance and if Fudge really has been just a major fool, DD would still want to preserve unity among those opposing Voldemort. I am still convinced, however, that his actions warrant a very thorough mistrust until a proper investigation can be conducted into his dealings with Lucius Malfoy and his allowing Umbridge to become the tyrant of Hogwarts.

Posted Jul 11, 2003 at 8:36 PM EST

Squib

House: Gryffindor
Points: 166

SueB says:

Having just read 800+ posts(!) I'd like to weigh in on the following topics:

"Later in Life" Wizard: Dudley. In an interview with Book Magazine, JKR said it was too late for Vernon & Petunia but not Dudley. He DID see the Dememtors (or else felt them). In book 3 they said Muggles would feel cold. Not Muggles would fee all their happiness drain away. I think Dudley may not do much but I think this will be the Dursley's moment of acceptance for the wizarding world. Just like the wizards have to accept non-huma n magical creatures.

Snape Good or Bad: Bad out of weakness, not premeditated. In the Royal Albert Hall interview, JKR made it clear we were not to "feel too sorry for Snape". He's still a going to do something bad. He still "bears watching". Personally I think the DADA job will be involved. I also think his attacking of Harry during their lessons was brute force. Dumbledore would have tried a more gentle approach. He can't get over his hatred (Snape) and he will fail to be completely redeemed because of this.

Draco turning good?: No way. JKR (again at the Royal Albert) says people are far too fond of him. Mostly because of the cute actor in the movies. Draco is going to do something bad. Many have picked up on the Draco/Hermione angle. Something sinister in their last year may be afoot.

Crookshanks a descendant of McGonnagoll?: In a word, "no".

The love triangle: Very strongely suggested in Book 5. Too many options to conclude where this will go. Strongest evidence is the Winter's Tale theory: Hermione & Ron end up together after Ron wrongly accuses Harry & Hermione.

Sorry for the length!

SueB

Posted Jul 11, 2003 at 8:42 PM EST

Old Chortlebones

House: Hufflepuff
Points: 2601

Newt Scamander says:

In my few-day absence I missed about, of, 800 or so posts, so I daresay that this might have been discussed, but if it hasn't, well, I'm a genius for bringing it up, I am.

What does everyone think Snape's job is for the Order? Now, I know that he was a spy for the Order towards the end of Voldemort's first reign, but now I daresay that he isn't trusted by the Death Eaters or Voldemort anymore. I believe it was either him or Karkaroff whom Voldemort referred to as someone who had left them forever, and who would get their due when he first summons the Death Eaters at the end of the fourth year.

So, any guesses? I have none at the moment, but if I think of some I'll post them. That is, as long as this hasn't been discussed yet. In which case, oops.

Posted Jul 11, 2003 at 8:42 PM EST

Squib

House: Gryffindor
Points: 164

Kadyak says:

Wasn't the spy that friend of Cho's?

By the way, Filch is a squib. We know that from CoS. Remember when Harry finds the handbook and ad for that class that Filch is using to try to get his magic on track? The ad is quite hilarious. If you don't remember this, go back and look at CoS. I don't have it in front of me to give a reference. Sorry.

I suppose this could support the theory that Filch might learn magic, but we would first have to learn if being a squib can be overcome, or if it is a "congenital defect."

Posted Jul 11, 2003 at 8:42 PM EST

Squib

House: Gryffindor
Points: 166

SueB says:

Jade- Actually, I don't think Dudley will go to Hogwarts. I think it will just cause the Dursleys to stop calling Harry abnormal. I think Vernon & Petunia will not allow Dudley to do anything but continue at Smeltings. I think this will cause Harry to have some sympathy for Dudley. A circulating theory is that the next big theme is compassion & forgiveness. Dudley developing magic but being restricted from using it may drive Harry into compassion for Dudley (which he hasn't shown based on their history).
Hermione/Draco-This is definately rich revenge territory. I think Ron will be the savior vice Harry.

Posted Jul 11, 2003 at 8:55 PM EST

Squib

House: Gryffindor
Points: 164

Kadyak says:

siriuslp - Great! Just so long as we know what we're doing and having fun along the way.

Jade - I suspect that your theory on how the different Weasley's would respond to a request from Percy to come back is if not exactly on target, very close. It's certainly what I would expect of each. Perhaps Ginny would give Percy a piece of her mind and then ignore him. Ron would be rather hostile I think. Fred and George, as you said would take their anti-Percy sarcasm to a whole new level - they would make Percy's life unbearable. Arthur's resentment might show itself in the form of ignoring Percy whenever possible. Yes, Molly would be the only one to be at all inclined to "forgive and forget," and even she would have a struggle with it.

Snapes job for the Order? That's a real good question. It is curious that we are left hanging at the end of GoF with Dumbledore saying to Snape something like, "You know what to do", Snape saying he does, and then we learn nothing in OotF. Certainly this is not by accident.

SueB - Where does one find texts of these interviews. Knowing what JKR has said in interviews would be helpful to my thinking, no matter how coy she is.

A love triangle? Hmmm. Yes, I have wondered about that myself, but lean more toward it resolving itself in favor of Ron and Hermione, and Harry with Ginny - maybe Luna.

Posted Jul 11, 2003 at 9:01 PM EST

Squib

House: Gryffindor
Points: 166

SueB says:

Kadyak-
Try the Leaky Cauldron for a Book Magazine link. I actually picked up the hard copy a few months ago. The Royal Albert Hall was also a Real Video I picked off of a Leaky Cauldron link.

SueB

Posted Jul 11, 2003 at 9:08 PM EST

Squib

House: Gryffindor
Points: 166

SueB says:

Just a random thought-

I think JKR has alot of fun throwing us all off the track from time to time. If there is anything certain, it is what Firenze said, which is (to paraphrase) everyone can be wrong about their prediction of the future. I absolutely believe that JKR will take no short cuts and no quick solutions. This means no "time turner" (sorry strawberrygirl(?)), no pull the dead back from the veil, no "slingshot around the sun manuever" (gratuitous Star Trek reference). She's left us clues and hints but the answers will be a complex combination of many different facts vice one unifying "angle".

Just a random thought....
SueB

Posted Jul 11, 2003 at 9:30 PM EST

Professor

House: Gryffindor
Points: 1106

Ima Quidditch Fan says:

jade - Outlandish theory #1:

Lily was in Slytherin, and a DE. That is why V spared her. She was there when the Longbottom's were tortured and as a mother felt for baby Neville, and using a memory charm altered his memory from the horror he had witnessed. (her wand is good for that work)

Snape hates James so much, because he did learn to care for Lily in the DE and it was because of James she wanted to leave the group... even join the opposition.

Oh, AND Lily's parents were proud of her, because they were not nice people... (Petunia learned it from somewhere) BUT in fact, they were greedy, and no good. They thought of the money that Lily could bring to them.

Well? If you discount the fact that people on this board have posted that JKR said Lily was in Gryffindor, it could work.

:) Enjoy!

Posted Jul 11, 2003 at 10:21 PM EST

Professor

House: Gryffindor
Points: 1106

Ima Quidditch Fan says:

What do you think Neville's plant does?

I think it can either cure werewolves (like Lockhart mentioned), cure his parents, or vanquish Voldemort.

I think the prophecy is about Neville. The minute DD told Harry that it was him, I felt funny about it. Those of you that read the Ulltimate Guide - remember the NEVER take a characters word for it , unless it is Hermione.

Posted Jul 11, 2003 at 10:32 PM EST

Professor

House: Gryffindor
Points: 1106

Ima Quidditch Fan says:

Mad-Eye - thanks ;)
I think you have had some great points to..
by the way, VERY creative jade!

I have posted before, but will mention again. I am a firm believer in the WInter's Tale theory - its gonna happen.

I also think that Mark Evans is related to Harry... another really out there theory I have is Snape being related to Harry through the Evans family. I think Lily and Petunia's father was a squib... his brother Snapes father. Snape changed his name from Perseus Evans...

Wild, I know... but I'm from Texas.

Posted Jul 11, 2003 at 10:37 PM EST

Professor

House: Gryffindor
Points: 1106

Ima Quidditch Fan says:

OK. The following is in my humble opinion a brillant observation. I have mentioned it twice and posted a link to the site... but no one has commented on it. SO, I am posting it in its entirity and make no claims that it is mine. This is pure Greg Gurshman on the HP Prognostication site.. see link -->http://hpprogs.blogspot.com/

So here it is....

We have spoken before about the themes of each of the books. In short, Book 1=power, Book 2=identity, 3=emotions, 4=pride.
In each book, Harry confronts and learns to master the challenges of the theme presented. These are all "dark arts," so to speak. If we look back, we realize that the professor for that class we all love, "Defense Against the Dark Arts" is intimately connected with that theme.

Just as an illustration, in Book 1, Prof. Quirrell lusts after power, to the point where he becomes completely corrupted by it.

Book 2, Lockhart's thirst for the spotlight consumes his identity, causing him to commit grievous acts of memory erasure to ensure his celebrity status (and Harry confronts this same aspect of his fame).

Book 3, Lupin, who is not a bad character, none-the-less teaches Harry what incredible will power it takes to control our primal emotions and urges, and that sometimes, we cant.

And of course, in Book 4, Moody/Crouch is the epitome of pride, thirsting for his master's approval, and proud of his part in restoring him to power.

That is just a quick rundown (more to come in the next 2 weeks!). On to book 5. What do we know so far? We know, from Scholastic's page on Book 5, that Harry is going to encounter "A Defense Against the Dark Arts teacher with a personality like poisoned honey." This is a key clue for us, especially since we now understand the nature of the role of a DADA teacher.

Poisoned Honey looks sweet, inviting, but in the actuality, it is death. It puts up a false front to lure in the unsuspecting. Looks can be deceiving, and all that which we believe in could be a lie (this is not the place to discuss the Matrix...). I believe that this is the next major theme Harry will face in Book 5. Who do you trust?

Posted Jul 11, 2003 at 10:46 PM EST

Auror

House: Gryffindor
Points: 2303

padfoot5312 says:

Dudley and Draco at the same school as Harry. Are you trying to push him over the edge

Posted Jul 11, 2003 at 11:16 PM EST

Auror

House: Gryffindor
Points: 2303

padfoot5312 says:

Wormtail will get his in the end. I think he will save harry somehow

Posted Jul 11, 2003 at 11:20 PM EST

Auror

House: Gryffindor
Points: 2303

padfoot5312 says:

Harry was lucking to go the zoo His outings were few when he was younger.

Posted Jul 11, 2003 at 11:25 PM EST

Professor

House: Gryffindor
Points: 1106

Ima Quidditch Fan says:

I think he needs a relationship now more than ever. 16? Come on... I remember 16-yr-old boys. Grant it, Harry has a heavy load to carry, but I think he'll still be doing teenage things.

AND I think it will be Ginny. (I still think that they will keep it secret so Ron won't freak.)
BUT he will... because he will think it is Harry and Hermione... I just know it.

Posted Jul 11, 2003 at 11:32 PM EST

Professor

House: Gryffindor
Points: 1106

Ima Quidditch Fan says:

Mad-Eye - I found this and another...

Perseus was the son of Zeus and Danae. His grandfather Acrisius, alarmed by an oracle which had told him that his daughter's child would be the instrument of his death, caused the mother and child to be shut up in a chest and set adrift on the sea. The chest floated towards Seriphus, where it was found by a fisherman who conveyed the mother and infant to Polydectes, the king of the country, by whom they were treated with kindness. When Perseus was grown up Polydectes sent him to attempt the conquest of Medusa, a terrible monster who had laid waste the country. She was once a beautiful maiden whose hair was her chief glory, but as she dared to vie in beauty with Athena, the goddess deprived her of her charms and changed her beautiful ringlets into hissing serpents. She became a cruel monster of so frightening an aspect that no living thing could behold her without being turned into stone. All around the cavern where she dwelt might be seen the stony figures of men and animals which had chanced to catch a glimpse of her and had been petrified with the sight. Perseus, favored by Athena and Hermes, the former of whom lent him her shield and the latter his winged shoes, approached Medusa while she slept, and taking care not to look directly at her, but guided by her image reflected in the bright shield which he bore, he cut off her head and gave it to Athena, who fixed it in the middle of her Aegis.

Posted Jul 11, 2003 at 11:41 PM EST