Discussion: The 'Phoenix' files

Squib

House: Gryffindor
Points: 109

Remus_lupin says:

Well eclektic nice thought about JKR leaving bits about trees in earlier books. Remember Devils Snare, Mandrake, Whomping Willow and of course now Nevilles Plant. As you say its defensive mechanism that Neville mentioned will play a role coming books

Posted Jul 12, 2003 at 3:18 PM EST

Witch

House: Gryffindor
Points: 661

Flitterbloom says:

Kadyak MF can not be Crookshanks. Him and Crookshanks have been in the same room together at 12 Grimmauld Place

Posted Jul 12, 2003 at 3:35 PM EST

Head Girl

House: Gryffindor
Points: 479

eclektic says:

flitterbloom:
ditto to that point..
for the sceptics, refer to pages82-83 (uk edition) of their book. it says that mundungus is at dinner with the rest of the pple while ginny plays with crookshanks with the butter beer corks. so unless he can be both man and animal at the same time i dun think he's crookshanks. some pple mentioned that it might be a kneazle. cant remember the exact defition but i think it might be. there's jus smtg abt that cat that sets it apart from the rest..

Posted Jul 12, 2003 at 3:49 PM EST

Metamorphmagus

House: Gryffindor
Points: 37946

tonks black says:

eclektic - harry will have to learn occulmency to be able to seperate real from what voldemort wants him to think

Posted Jul 12, 2003 at 3:50 PM EST

Animagus

House: Gryffindor
Points: 19544

Sirius-Ella says:

about crookshanks I feel quite dumb for think mf was an animegius(ms) But maybe Crookshanks is an anmeagi and is realated to MS...and doesn't Crookshanks hiss at MS? family feud? lol any thoughts

Posted Jul 12, 2003 at 4:18 PM EST

Head Girl

House: Gryffindor
Points: 479

eclektic says:

tonks black:
i think the point of dumbledore wanting harry to learn occlumency is so that he can 'close his mind to the dark lord' if this is the case then he is not able to allow his mind to tap into the feelings and thoughts of voldemort via the scar is it? occlumency causes a two way shut down of any mental/pscycological links between harry and voldemort doesnt it? or does harry have the ability to still feel his emotions but still able to fend of manipulation by voldie?

Posted Jul 12, 2003 at 4:33 PM EST

Animagus

House: Gryffindor
Points: 19544

Sirius-Ella says:

Mundungas fletcher = MS lol someone else used it sorry about that....and sorry cheeser for the one liner but they didn't know what m.s. was

Posted Jul 12, 2003 at 5:40 PM EST

Metamorphmagus

House: Gryffindor
Points: 37946

tonks black says:

eclektic - maybe voldemort knows occulmency too, and he only lets harry in on the thoughts that will confuse harry and make him mad and mess up concentration.

Posted Jul 12, 2003 at 5:45 PM EST

Professor

House: Gryffindor
Points: 1106

Ima Quidditch Fan says:

Beatrice M N - Someone earlier, I think Kadyak, mentioned that Perseus kills Medusa in Greek myths. We had mentioned that another person on the board thought Spape may have changed his name from Perseus Evans to Severus Snape (it is the anagram)... and it would follow that Snape would kill the "medusa" character. We discussed Bellatrix as a possible, because Harry's observation was that she has been beautiful at one time, especially the hair... but not now.. it seemed to fit. IF Snape is Perseus, he will kill her. I hope that helps.

Posted Jul 12, 2003 at 6:48 PM EST

Marauder

House: Gryffindor
Points: 3954

jade says:

Hello i am a quidditch fan so what are your therioes i have had a wacky one maybe snape had to do something in relation to the whole persus thing but i can't think what who would be his medusa.did you see what happened to our messages

Posted Jul 12, 2003 at 7:33 PM EST

Professor

House: Gryffindor
Points: 1106

Ima Quidditch Fan says:

Jade - the Medusa has to be Bellatrix, because Harry made a point to think that she had once been beautiful, but no more. That the the exact definition of Medusa... she was once beautifil, but now so ugly that it turns anyone who looks at her to stone. Yes, I did... and it had been such a wonderful evening. How do you get to the new chat room? I haven't seen it.

Posted Jul 12, 2003 at 9:40 PM EST

Metamorphmagus

House: Gryffindor
Points: 37946

tonks black says:

Cathaholic that family tree was kind of..confusing. but i saw what you meant when you said that voldemort would be harrys great uncle and all.oh yeah, and i just saw the newer one.

lucius potter what do you mean sirius must have been cleared? him being cleared doesnt have anything to do with nearly headless nick, does it? unless i have missed a big chunk of a book, what you said was confusing. maybe you could try to explain it a little better so i knew what in the world you were saying

Posted Jul 12, 2003 at 9:41 PM EST

Professor

House: Gryffindor
Points: 1106

Ima Quidditch Fan says:

Cathaholic - I have thought that he (V) was her uncle also... I wondered about Tom Riddle Sr. having other children after Jrs Mom died. Didn't she die just after she named him... I guess she could have had older children, but I think it likely that the Slytherin heritage came from Riddle Sr.
He and his parents could have been muggles, but still carry the bloodline. The witch, unknown, could be from Ravenclaw... I have seen some theories that place Ravenclaw closer to Slytherin that Hufflepuff or Gryffindor.

But a really great theory!

Posted Jul 12, 2003 at 9:44 PM EST

Professor

House: Gryffindor
Points: 1106

Ima Quidditch Fan says:

Padfoot999 - I think what we learned about Lily had to do with the scene defending Snape. She has the hero to the rescue complex too.

Also, the think dark red hair... could she be related to the Weasley family... (I guess that would be Molly so not the Weasleys, but Molly's family..) You know, I heard that JKR rewrote MUCH of OOP, because a Weasley cousing gave something away. Did anyone else hear this? Could Lily have been Molly's cousin?

I still feel that she and Snape may have been cousins... their father's were brothers and Lily's dad a sqib. Snape may have felt the need to distance himself from her at school much like Percy has done.

Lily tells James that she wouldn't go out with him if it was a choice between him and the giant squid. Wonder HOW he got her to change her mind! Well, she may have been playing a bit hard to get as she somewhat smiled as Snape was fliped upside down, even though she recovers and sticks to her first defender role.

Also note that she wasn't afraid to face James, even though he was threatening her with a curse... she stuck her ground, got her way, and told him off to boot (sounds like Molly to me!)

Any thoughts?

Posted Jul 12, 2003 at 9:59 PM EST

Old Chortlebones

House: Hufflepuff
Points: 2601

Newt Scamander says:

Cathoholic - No, neither of Lily's parents necessarily had to be in ties with a witch or wizard family to be proud of her. That would be like saying that the parents of a doctor couldn't be proud of their child's degree without being doctors themselves. Obviously they found out that she was a witch, seeing as she went to Hogwarts. They apparently found some honor in discovering that their daughter could do magic, something that Muggles only ever dream of. In essence, they had a "dream" daughter, and they thought that it was something to be proud of.

And yes, I am outruling that either of them could have been from wizarding families, because Snape called Lily a mudblood in his memory. A mudblood is someone who is completely Muggle-born. If the Evans were related to wizards, Lily would be a halfblood. Don't be fooled by the prefix "half." A halfblood is someone who is from both Muggle and Wizard decent, thus being the reason that Harry is a halfblood, as is pointed out by Dumbledore at the end of the fifth book. This is probably why pretty much every pureblood is related to pretty much every other pureblood, as no one can have a pureblood child if one of the spouses is in any way a halfblood.

Hope this clears a couple things up. Good thoughts, though, but they seem proven wrong by a couple things in the books.

Posted Jul 12, 2003 at 10:21 PM EST

Old Chortlebones

House: Hufflepuff
Points: 2601

Newt Scamander says:

First off, in that last post, when I reread it (after I posted) it seemed to have a bit of a mean tone. If it did, terribly sorry. I like to debate, not to argue.

Anyway, the main point of this second post, something I completely forgot in the first one: Phoenixashes, with the whole Weasley-cousin shindig: Do you know if it was the Goblet of Fire plot given away, or of the whole series in general? Just curious.

Posted Jul 12, 2003 at 10:24 PM EST

Professor

House: Gryffindor
Points: 1106

Ima Quidditch Fan says:

Cathaholic - Most of the time I totally agree with you, but I carry a recessive trait in my family that skipped several generations. Lily may have too. A bloodline still would continue... even though the trait skipped. I see magic as a trait that can be skipped, in the case of a sqib or passed on, the case of a wizard. Muggles are persons in a line that have no known magical ancestors... it doesn't mean they aren't there.

Finally, I have been very dependant on what JKR says and doesn't say in interviews. I believe that she makes a point to honestly answer questions, but she can make a mistake, change her mind, or be misinterpreted. Also, there is a LOT of second had JKR input. With that said, I for one will be taking the interview points with a ‘grain of salt’. ;)

Posted Jul 12, 2003 at 10:53 PM EST

Professor

House: Gryffindor
Points: 1106

Ima Quidditch Fan says:

phoenixashes - Thanks for the note about Icicle... cool name! (I wonder if she was turned into Tonks later.)

Newt Scamander - It was my understanding that is was the series which I why I speculated about Lily.

Does anyone else think Tonks has a crush on Bill? She is clumsy, but seems more clumsy when he is around. I wonder if they will date... I think Bill will tire of Fluer, she is too high maintenance for him. :)

Posted Jul 12, 2003 at 11:00 PM EST

Professor

House: Gryffindor
Points: 1106

Ima Quidditch Fan says:

What do you think Angelina will do after school? I wonder if she will work near Fred and George. I so hope we have a chance to see more of their new business. They are high on my list of favorites.

Posted Jul 12, 2003 at 11:06 PM EST

Order of Merlin, 2nd Class

House: Gryffindor
Points: 1783

Juno Puddifoot says:

My first post :) have been very much enjoying the speculation going on ...

I was thinking about the skinny boy from Slytherin who saw thestrals ...anyone else think this is Nott? (later mentioned in conjunction with the unhappy trio of Malfoy Crabbe and Goyle) whose father is reprimanded in GoF by LV as having somehow previously stuffed up? Do we know what happened?

I always wondered also about Neville in GoF ... Moody/Crouch taking a special interested in him, sure to pass him the book with the Gillyweed hint, but why did Nev sleep better after that?

The pensieve, why exactly is that Snapes 'worst' memory ... I mean really if he was a DE surely he must have worse memories than being dacked in public?

Theres more to the Harry's magic without a wand thing .. he can also do spells without even meaning to or without knowing how to do them ... Snape asks if he meant to produce a stinging hex and HP says no.

Posted Jul 13, 2003 at 2:06 AM EST

Squib

House: Gryffindor
Points: 109

Remus_lupin says:

Polyjuice 13 I dont think anyone in the order or others know what the prophecy is. I think it is a thing only DD knows and now Harry too.

Posted Jul 13, 2003 at 4:23 AM EST

Squib

House: Gryffindor
Points: 109

Remus_lupin says:

Well during their battle with the Death eaters in the Dept of Mysteries harry asked everyone to break glasses in the prophecy room and we heard a part of another prophecy in that room. Does anyone think it has any significance

Posted Jul 13, 2003 at 4:48 AM EST

Order of Merlin, 2nd Class

House: Gryffindor
Points: 1783

Juno Puddifoot says:

Remus-lupin, well i was thinking that JK was sort of joking with the reader, you know because OotP was released on the solstice, 'and none shall come after' or something similar, a bit of an in-joke. But that is only my current little idea ...
I think Crookshanks being a kneazle is spot on. I think DD may not be around for much longer either. McGonagall looks like making a good headmistress.

That comment about someone learning magic late in life ... was that supposed to apply to book 5 or book 6? Cos if it was 5 I think it was Neville.

Posted Jul 13, 2003 at 5:24 AM EST

Metamorphmagus

House: Gryffindor
Points: 37946

tonks black says:

Ima Quidditch Fan - if lily was related to molly and snape then that would mean that snape was like..harrys uncle. and since the Weasleys would of been related to the Evens, why wouldn't molly of told Harry what his parents did for a living? also, you would think Ron knew that Harry was like a cousin to him and he would also be a cousin to Ginny and Ginny liked Harry and its kinda..wrong for a cousin tolike a cousin.sorry if what i said is confusing

Posted Jul 13, 2003 at 8:56 AM EST

Student

House: Gryffindor
Points: 247

Sattouta says:

i never thought a second about surius,i thought about ron ,hermione and maybe lupin. i thoughr"no, he is the only member of the family he got ,he loved him, and cared for him,he could never die" but i think i was wrong.i think j k rowling is a bit creul about this.
any way i think suris must return in any shape ,a ghost, in the miror that he gave him,or even it turns out to be he is still alive,and maybe voldemort capture him to use him againt harry or even to kill him!!! i don't know , i just want him to be back. :)

Posted Jul 13, 2003 at 9:24 AM EST

Metamorphmagus

House: Gryffindor
Points: 37946

tonks black says:

SAN - Harry had remembered the mirror when he was trying to think of a way to talk to him, but i cant remember if it was because the mirrors couldnt let the living see the dead and the other way around, or if it was because it fell out of his pocket or something.it was also a way for harry to grow.

Posted Jul 13, 2003 at 9:42 AM EST