Discussion: The 'Phoenix' files

Imelda Moonshine says:

I reckon that next year Harry will be a temporary DADA teacher!Just look how successful the DA was, I bet they all get Outstanding in their OWLS!And who else is going to be dumb enought to take up the post?Can you imagine Malfoy's face, being taught by Harry!?!

Posted Jul 14, 2003 at 3:38 AM EST

Squib

House: Gryffindor
Points: 109

Remus_lupin says:

I think there is a serious contradiction of when the OWL test results come. Because in PoA Fred and George have already received their three OWLs before the end of term. And when Hermoine asks Mcganogal when the results arrive she tell her that they'll receive an owl at the end of July.

how do the rules change in two years

Posted Jul 14, 2003 at 4:03 AM EST

delay says:

Let me just say that this is getting out of hand...not really in a bad way....I am just impressed that anytime I sign off I get back to find far more messages than I could ever get through.

However, before I give up for the night again. I just wanted to say: I thnk that I agree with you Kadyak. At least on the subject of the realism of theories. Before postulating anything, I think one has to consider how that is going to affect the plausibility of the story. Unfortunately I think that a lot of the cristian alagory in your post was a bit off base...or at least confusing. I am not sure which. And with that I am going to sleep.

Posted Jul 14, 2003 at 4:17 AM EST

Squib

House: Gryffindor
Points: 109

Remus_lupin says:

OWL Results - Speculation

Harry

DADA - O,
TRansfiguration - E,
Potions - O,
Charms - O,
Care of MAgical Creatures - O
Herbology - E

Ron

DADA - E,
TRansfiguration - E,
Potions - O,
Charms - O,
Care of MAgical Creatures - E
Herbology - E

Hermoine

DADA - O,
TRansfiguration - O,
Potions - O,
Charms - O,
Care of MAgical Creatures - O
Arithmancy - O
Astronomy - O
Herbology - O

Neville

DADA - O,
TRansfiguration - E,
Charms - O,
Care of MAgical Creatures - O
Herbology - O

Any Suggestions

Posted Jul 14, 2003 at 4:39 AM EST

Order of Merlin, 2nd Class

House: Gryffindor
Points: 1782

Juno Puddifoot says:

Remus_lupin was it history of magic that Harry fell apart in? don't like to think of the result in that one.

As far as the mimbulous/latin goes, erm, well, although apparently my knowledge of latin in botanical names isn't quite up to snuff, because I did not know that off the top of my head. I was more thinking of it being derivitave.

JK herself wouldn't answer directly whether she would use the time turner again, or not, although I don't believe it would play a major role, should it be used.

Posted Jul 14, 2003 at 4:59 AM EST

Order of Merlin, 2nd Class

House: Gryffindor
Points: 1782

Juno Puddifoot says:

Well no doubt by the time I come back again there will be about 500 posts for me to read.

Kadyak I think if we are talking researching 'plausible' theories it is at least fair to say we are looking at primary and secondary materials, primary being the HP text, secondary being the interviews given by JK. I guess what we infer from the written word is going to largely be the result of our own thoughts however. It is amazing what one can extrapolate from the written word.

I do like the close analysis of Harry's dreams, thanks for that.

Ima Quidditch Fan, please post more good theories:))

OWL levels, British people, what is deemed an acceptable number of O Levels anyway, is it 5 or 7?

Posted Jul 14, 2003 at 9:17 AM EST

Metamorphmagus

House: Gryffindor
Points: 37939

tonks black says:

did anyone ever think that ron might go to the darkside because he dont like being in harrys and hermiones shadows?harry always saves the day and hermione gets perfect grades in everyclass. its possible.
i am not sure if this was already mentioned but Lily Potter and Narcissa Malfoy may be related.Narcissa means "flower" so it could happen.

Posted Jul 14, 2003 at 9:24 AM EST

Wizard

House: Slytherin
Points: 533

dimtick says:

Alright, Its taking my way too long to read all the posts so I'll just through out my comments.
#1 About James: I think that James comes from a rich family and that he is related (distantly) to DD. James behavior in Snapes mamory seems very similar to Draco. Part if his arrogance comes from being rich. Snapes hates James because he comes from a poor family and (like Draco) thinks he can get away with anything because he's rich and is related to DD. Of course as evidence by Siruis talking about he & James always being in detention this isn't true.
Where else did Harry's money come from. As evidence by the Dursleys, it didn't come from Lily's side of the family. It doesn't seem like his parents were alive long enough to earn it on their own. especially if they quit what ever jobs they had in order to be in the Order of Phoenix.
#2 I think that Snape was in love with Lily. Snapes memory of being tormented by James, which was thought to be a bad memory is actually a very good memory because in it, Lily comes to his rescue. This magnifies his hatrid for James, who not only is a spoiled rich kid, but also got the girl.
Snape throws Harry out because he doesn't want him to know about his feelings for his mother
I think that Snapes treatment of Harry is partially because he feels like Harry should have been his son, and that if Lily had picked him none he would never had died.

Posted Jul 14, 2003 at 10:44 AM EST

Wizard

House: Slytherin
Points: 533

dimtick says:

another thing (hopefully you can understand my meaning thru all the typos - I'm not the best typest on the planet).
Snape is under order from DD to torment Harry. DD knows that Harry is going to face alot of challenges and that he needs to have a tough skin. DD also knew that V would return and that be tormenting Harry and showing favoritism to Draco it would convince Draco and thus Luciuos and thus V that he was still a loyal DE.

Posted Jul 14, 2003 at 10:57 AM EST

Wizard

House: Slytherin
Points: 533

dimtick says:

I would like to see Lupin come back as the DADA teacher. Maybe with Umbridge out of the way (hopefully?) the MOM will allow his to teach again.

Posted Jul 14, 2003 at 11:16 AM EST

Squib

House: Gryffindor
Points: 109

Remus_lupin says:

Well since the other characters like Neville and Luna coming into prominence and also DA coming into strength I think harry will enjoy the summer a lot better with owl post coming from all his friends and also now everyone is back beleiving Harry I think that Harry will enjoy more support for this summer though Sirius' death will haunt him for sure.

I beleive that Voldermort and the rest of the wizard world will get to know about the prophecy some how and will find out what power (knows not) harry has. though I think that everyone know already.

Book 6 I think will deal more about the dark forces hiding in the Forbidden Forest and other Creatures which till now I think Harry and many have never imagined.

We might I think visit Durmstrang or meet Vicky in book 6 to make Ron/ Hermoine come to a decision on their relationship.

I think there will be another new DADA teacher in book 6 and he/she will be on the good side to train Harry and his friends for the battle ahead. And most probably it might be a character we met/heard but never thought much about.

Posted Jul 14, 2003 at 12:23 PM EST

Wizard

House: Slytherin
Points: 533

dimtick says:

i posted this earlier but I can't find it in the list so I don't think it went thru:
I have a new Crookshanks theory: What if Crookshank is another wizard that was transformed into a cat but for whatever reason (lack animangus ability?) cannot transform himself back. I do not beleive the theorys that he is one of the original 4 wizards. Maybe he is another friend of James/Siruis/Lupin/Peter. Maybe he realized that Peter (Wormtail) was still alive and thus that Siruis was innocent. Maybe Wormtail transformed him into a cat to protect his secret and he's been stuck that way ever since.

Posted Jul 14, 2003 at 12:45 PM EST

Head Girl

House: Gryffindor
Points: 468

Charlie'sMum says:

Just a thought - Seems to me that JKR is making sure we don't forget about Ripper, Aunt Marge's dog. I think he was mentioned in passin in book one or two (I'd have to look) and the treeing incident is mentioned in book 3 and it is one of the memories Snape comments on in book 5. Since she already did the pet/wizard thing with Scabbers, I kind of doubt this, but nonetheless, what if Ripper is someone important, maybe a DE who turned into a dog to escape Azakaban? This is why the dog hates Harry. What if the late in life wizard was Uncle Vernon!
Also - When and why do you suppose Petunia told Vernon about the wizarding world? He obviously knew about it in the 1st chapter of the 1st book, and he wasn't married to Petunia when Lily got the letter, obviously.
To add to the discussion about and Petunia's involvement - I think she was jealous of Lily. Lily was probably the prettier, smarter sister to begin with, and then to be shown to have magic when Petunia didn't probably just mad it worse. And it's interesting that Colin Creevey's brother has magic but Lily's sister didn't. So I think Petunia just hung around Lily and soaked up information, all the while doing the whole sour grapes thing.

Posted Jul 14, 2003 at 12:55 PM EST

Squib

House: Gryffindor
Points: 109

Remus_lupin says:

Well Dimtick as you said Crookshanks might just be an animagus attempt gone bad case. And probably thats why he goes on well with Sirius in PoA. But we have to wait and see.

and CarolAltius I think what surprised Mr Dursely at that time was Petunia knowing the details of the Demontors in wizarding world which she pretended she knew nothing of till that time. Yeah I agree with the point of Sour Grapes though.

Posted Jul 14, 2003 at 1:08 PM EST

Madam Librarian

House: Gryffindor
Points: 13160

I-Pie says:

Neville's problem appears to be his grandmother. She has undermined his confidence for years by comparing him to his father and finding he did not match up. Maybe Neville is more like his Mother, because in OOP Harry thinks that Neville looks like her. His magic might get better if his Grandmother gets him his own wand. In OOP, Neville says he was using his father's wand. In Book 1, Mr. Ollivander says that the wand chooses the wizard and that you can use another wand but not get the same results. Also, I think Neville and his plant will be important in the future books. I do not think JKR mentions it at the beginning and the end without reason.

Posted Jul 14, 2003 at 2:05 PM EST

Head Girl

House: Gryffindor
Points: 479

eclektic says:

wow.. there were so many posts and ive been busy taking down notes abt some things i thought were interesting.. (or otherwise..:) sorry, this post might be long..

abt krum getting the dada post:
i think someone mentioned this already and i agree with the feeling that he would NOT get the post at hogwarts. hermione mentioned that he did not have much experience performing defense against the dark arts and that was him being 3years older than harry and in his last year at durmstrang. to add to his lack of experience, we know that durmstrang was paticulary into teaching the dark arts and if their students cant do much then dumbledore will surely NOT employ them.
i am for the possibility that the new teacher wld be a new character though someone from the order might not suffice. i feel this was because most if not all of them have day jobs and it is the jobs that they have that make them important for the work of the order. for example, tonks and kingsley are both aurors and this proves to be effective for undercover work for the order. i doubt that dumbledore wld want them to leave their day jobs since that wld compromise the contacts that they have built there in the ministry. possibly with fudge agreeing the return of voldy, such networking is all the more important since he trusts them.

Posted Jul 14, 2003 at 2:13 PM EST

Wizard

House: Slytherin
Points: 533

dimtick says:

remus-lupin: my thought about Crookshanks was that maybe he was tranformed into a cat by another wizard (Wormtail) and is now stuck that way.

Posted Jul 14, 2003 at 2:29 PM EST

Head Girl

House: Gryffindor
Points: 479

eclektic says:

some things that i think might not happen and why:

1. use if the time turner--- NO WAY
has anyone forgotten its use in the 3rd book? it got me confused abt the patronus thing and honestly still has. i think its all to complicated and while there are numerous instances where jkr has re-introduced certain characters, devices etc in her books, i doubt this is one plot devise that she would want to bring up again. i feel that this wld make cause the book to lean on the SCI FI genre and it gets too confusing; all those space time continuums. (im jus throwing all those sciency jargons. i hope im not making a fool of myself ;)

2.im a quidditch fan:
neville being the target of the prophecy--- ok, ive said this before. i dont think so because for the simple fact that voldy had to mark the boy he thought was a greater danger to him and he marked HARRY, not neville. the series is abt harry after all and not neville.

3. harry dying--- i honestly hope that this would not happen (who wld?) and all those comments abt jkr not taking it for granted that harry will live, well blame it on my optimism but i think that he will live. i think she just doesnt want us to be too sure abt his fate. think of it as a writer's way of enticing the readers. honestly, do u think that discussion forums like this wld be as exciting if we already knew that harry will eventually live? i doubt it. i believe she wants to keep us in suspense and ultimately, good WILL triumph over evil and voldemort will be kaput.

someone (kadyak i think) asked abt why the uk version was named philosopher's stone and was changed to sorcerors's stone in the us version:
apparently, the us readers didnt find the word philosopher interesting enough as compared to the word sorceror. it seems that the americans find that the word 'philosopher' conjured dull and boring images and to create that excitement and sense of adventure in the book, the us publishers decided to change it to sorceror..

Posted Jul 14, 2003 at 2:32 PM EST

Madam Librarian

House: Gryffindor
Points: 13160

I-Pie says:

With all the posts, I lost who asked about Susan Bones. She was one of the students who joined the DA group at the inn. Susan was sorted in Book 1 and has not really been seen
until OOP. She is related to the Bones family that was
killed by Voldemort mentioned in Book 1. Also, her Aunt
was the magistrate at Harry's trial who told her about Harry's Patronus..

Posted Jul 14, 2003 at 5:01 PM EST

Prefect

House: Gryffindor
Points: 377

jamesthom says:

hey. i have just read book 2, and at the beginning of chapter 10, harry and lockhart are acting out a play of one of lockharts books. the Wagga Wagga Werewolf. I now Lockhart stole all his stories from someone else but they did happen. Anyway during the play lockhart performs a complex Homorphus Charm to change a werewolf back to a human, can you see where this is going. RE Lupin

Posted Jul 14, 2003 at 5:27 PM EST

Professor

House: Gryffindor
Points: 1106

Ima Quidditch Fan says:

jamesthom - YES! I wondered about that too.. couldn't DD do it? Or maybe the potion takes years to work... maybe that was what Snape was giving him.

Posted Jul 14, 2003 at 5:34 PM EST

Prefect

House: Gryffindor
Points: 377

jamesthom says:

it was a charm not a potion so maybe only flitwick can carry it out

Posted Jul 14, 2003 at 5:36 PM EST

Prefect

House: Gryffindor
Points: 377

jamesthom says:

well lockhart did say that he did not do any of the stories himself but stole them off people who. so I believe that there is a charm. Harry just needs to find it

Posted Jul 14, 2003 at 5:49 PM EST

delay says:

Carolalutius- About Aunt Marge's dog ripper. Doesn't she breed bull dogs? Isn't Ripper her favorite that is why she brings him. I think she would notice if ripper didn't show up in....let us say the "traditional" way.

Posted Jul 14, 2003 at 6:28 PM EST

Professor

House: Gryffindor
Points: 1106

Ima Quidditch Fan says:

delay - I think Carolalutius may have a point... Remember when Aunt Marge really starting in on Harry? And her class exploded? She shrugged it off and said it had happened before. The Dursely's, and I assumed Harry did it out of anger... what if he WAS under control, and Ripper did it.
Question is, why would Ripper dislike Harry so, yet, be angry if James and Lily were insulted?

Posted Jul 14, 2003 at 6:35 PM EST

Old Chortlebones

House: Hufflepuff
Points: 2601

Newt Scamander says:

The reason that I highly doubt that Crookshanks could possibly be an Animagus or just have been transfigured is the Marauder's Map. In the third book, Lupin goes to the Shrieking Shack because he sees Sirius Black, Peter Pettigrew, and the three kids go up there. However, he never mentions anything about another person, and I would assume that he'd be curious about someone he never heard of (or worse yet, did hear of) climbing through the Willow with the others but didn't find a trace of another person in the Shrieking Shack. He may have been letting his emotions fly about regaining a friend, but I doubt that would be something he'd so easily forget.

Posted Jul 14, 2003 at 7:00 PM EST