Discussion: The 'Phoenix' files

Animagus

House: Gryffindor
Points: 19544

Sirius-Ella says:

Yes Ima, I see your point...it the has stuck me as an odd one also..but I want to say she is anmegi because lol..thats getting old...he probably name her after a first love or something lol.

Posted Jul 15, 2003 at 12:15 AM EST

Animagus

House: Gryffindor
Points: 19544

Sirius-Ella says:

ergh I know you you don't like one liners erm moderator but I have to make a correction... Sirius-Ella says:

Yes Ima, I see your point...it the has stuck me as an odd one also..but I don't want to say she is anmegi because lol..thats getting old...he probably name her after a first love or something lol.

Posted Jul 15, 2003 at 12:16 AM EST

Professor

House: Gryffindor
Points: 1106

Ima Quidditch Fan says:

padfoot5312 - I need to look again also, but I thought that Lupin said that he came to the willow, because he saw padfoot and wormtail on the map and KNEW what had happened. Maybe I dreamed it.

I love Gary Oldman for Sirius, and as excited as I am to see the new movie... I wish I didn't know he was going to die. Poor JKR, what a burden to carry, knowing who will perish. I could help her and be her secret keeper. :)

Posted Jul 15, 2003 at 12:17 AM EST

Professor

House: Gryffindor
Points: 1106

Ima Quidditch Fan says:

Sirius-Ella, I can't imagine Filtch loving anything with two legs... and I have vast imagination!

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What did you think of the color green post? I haven't thought of anything to add to it, but it is interesting to me...
your thoughts?

Posted Jul 15, 2003 at 12:21 AM EST

Animagus

House: Gryffindor
Points: 19544

Sirius-Ella says:

Ok I did look into it alittle bit but someone probably already posted it like this but anyway I found it interesting how syltherins color is dark green....*hem hem* below..

Dark green is associated with ambition, greed, and jealousy.
Yellow-green can indicate sickness, cowardice, discord, and jealousy.
Aqua is associated with emotional healing and protection.
Olive green is the traditional color of peace.

Posted Jul 15, 2003 at 12:41 AM EST

Auror

House: Gryffindor
Points: 2303

padfoot5312 says:

I found this on the internet about [CROOKSHANKS/]
http://www.hp-lexicon.org/index.html

Crookshanks:
"This cat isn't mad. He's the most intelligent of his kind I've ever met."
-- Sirius Black
Crookshanks is a most fascinating creature. He appears to be a large ginger cat with a squashed flat face and bottle-brush tail. He belongs to Hermione, who purchased him at the Magical Menagerie in Diagon Alley (August 1993), where he'd been for quite a long time as no one wanted to buy him (PA4). Crookshanks is part Kneazle (Nr), which accounts for his unusual intelligence and his ability to identify suspicious characters, most notably Pettigrew when disguised as Scabbers the Rat. (PA) But he also recognizes and disapproves of cheating, judging by the way he stared at Harry and Ron when they were making up answers on their Divination homework (GF14).

purchased in Diagon Alley, from the Magical Menagerie (PA4)
catches and eats a spider (PA8)
shows unusual intelligence (PA8)
protecting Sirius from Harry's wand (PA
chasing gnomes in Weasley's garden (GF5)
stares inscrutably, as Hermione would if she were there (GF14)


Kneazle (NEE-zul) - Cat-like creature, very intelligent. The Kneazle can detect unsavory or suspicious persons very well and will react badly to them. However, if it takes a liking to a Witch or Wizard, it makes an excellent pet (FB). The Kneazle has spotted fur, large ears, and a lion-like tail. Crookshanks is part Kneazle.

So Crookshanks could be just what he seems

Posted Jul 15, 2003 at 12:43 AM EST

Animagus

House: Gryffindor
Points: 19544

Sirius-Ella says:

Whoever wants to go threw this gibbrish..which i did lol..its the greek meaning of green for some reason I look it up at google.com.....anyway I thought some of it made sense it to why alot of stuff is green in hp books...
-sirius-ella-


GREEN

Green is the color of vegetation, of nature and life itself. It is the color of spring, of renewal, of the force of nature. Green, according to psychologists, means power, perseverance, balance and stability. Perhaps this is because crystal is able to focus green light almost perfectly on the retina and therefore the eye perceives this color very easily. The Egyptians used green malachite as a healing eye shadow for taking care of visual troubles and Plinius affirmed that "the emerald delights the sight without tiring it". Nero used to observe circus games through an emerald lens. In the following centuries, engravers used a beryl crystal to rest their eyesight after their miniature works.

Green is associated with Venus, goddess of love and fertility. Greek widows that remarried would wear a green veil to symbolize their still active fertility, and in England until 1700 it was very fashionable for brides to wear green.

Egyptian mythology associates green with Osiris, god of vegetation and death, associating the cycles of nature to those of life, death and rebirth. For the Greeks, green was linked to Hermaphrodites, child of the blue Hermes and the yellow Aphrodite. In Damanhur's philosophy, green is associated with the Masculine Principle and the forces of the Earth.
Sometimes green is also associated with negative symbolism. It is the color of anger and putrefaction, of poison and envy. In the human body green is an indicator of serious illness and death.

In therapy, green bands applied to the forehead are effective against high fevers. Resting one's head on a pea-green pillow while sleeping can help to counter baldness. In general, green helps in the care of cardiac and gall bladder troubles, in the treatment of ulcers and intoxicated liver or kidneys. It prevents arteriosclerosis and stimulates the sympathetic nervous system.

Posted Jul 15, 2003 at 12:51 AM EST

Squib

House: Gryffindor
Points: 164

Kadyak says:

WitchyWays - Your discussion of the dreams is beyond excellent! I too may reread the series from the beginning, now that you've brought my attention to all of these details. I have been trying to remember some of these things along the way.

Not too long ago my wife brought up the idea that Harry might be a seer. I recognized that she was on to something, and what you have said I think builds the case quite thoroughly.

A few comments:

1) My impression about Malfoy turning into Snape is that it is showing a bond between the two of them, at least in their resentment of Harry. However, I must also wonder if it is saying that Snape is indeed still a D.E. - we already know that Lucius Malfoy is and Draco certainly takes after his father. Are Snape and the Malfoys being linked in their allegiance to Voldemort? Consider now, how Umbridge says that Lucius Malfoy always spoke highly of Snape.

2) I suspect that we shall learn more details about the exact events of the murder of James and Lily Potter, and they will be important. I should not be at all surprised if you are correct and Avada Kedavra is Voldemort's ultimate downfall - "it might even be painless" he might die with his high, mirthless laugh - perhaps it will be Voldemort who will "bow to death."

3) I can't be certain off hand, but I don't think that "The Riddle House" is the first time we hear the reference to Voldemort's laugh being high pitched and mirthless. What exactly does it say when Harry hears the events when the Dementors come at him?

4) I don't recall anywhere seeing Harry actually flying in the Forbidden Forest, except in the car. Yes, they lead Buckbeak into the edge of the forest, but only the edge and it is simply a hiding place for the moment. I'll have to reread. Also, at the same time, as I recall, Harry sees his Patronus from Hagrid's garden, not the forest, no?

5) I happen to be one of those Christians who (obviously) doesn't have a problem with HP. If Harry is a Christ character, it sure would be a laugh, since there are so many who thinks he's of the devil!

6) Perhaps instead of the Firebolt representing Buckbeak, the dream and the reality both point to something in the future - something with the Firebolt?

7) Whether it is taking a curse for him or something else, I do suspect that Neville is bound to take Harry's place in some way. Note that he is the other child to whom the prophecy might have referred.

8) I don't think Malfoy will stand on the sidelines. He is too cowardly to really join in the fray, but I think he will do his best to seriously hurt Harry from a position of relative safety.

9) Is Harry being anxious to see what turns out to be his patronus symbolic of his intense desire to meet his parents, whom he only "meets" as echos in the priori incantatem effect?

Harry's dreams are, on the superficial level, reflections of his anxiety, and reflect his subconscious trying to deal with his reality. I think we can safely agree on that. At the same time, they definitely go way beyond. He clearly sees the murder of Frank Bryce, and overhears the entire conversation that Bryce hears before he dies.

What will happen? Will Harry harness this ability so that he can see in his waking hours? Clearly this gift is also a curse, and he MUST learn occlumency well in order to keep Voldemort or others from taking advantage of the skill and leading him astray and into danger again.

If you wish to post references without taking up space here, go ahead and e-mail me at markandersh@gci.net. Once again, this is brilliant!

Cheeser: How about a new discussion thread limited to the specific topic: "the significance of Harry's dreams?"

Posted Jul 15, 2003 at 12:57 AM EST

Squib

House: Gryffindor
Points: 164

Kadyak says:

1926-1950 Range

Eclektik - I agree with you on each point you make in your first post in this range, especially the first. As I have said before, use of the time turner would be the kind of easy-way-out that JKR is avoiding. Forget it, it ain't gonna happen!

Thanks for the note on the reason for changing the title of Philosopher's Stone. I honestly hope that Scholastic will print a UK English edition for those of us Americans who would prefer to read the original - merics, idioms and all.

Posted Jul 15, 2003 at 1:06 AM EST

Squib

House: Gryffindor
Points: 164

Kadyak says:

Re: Posts 1950, 1951

Ima - the Marauder's map can't be showing things from the inquirer's perspective, otherwise Barty Crouch would not have had reason to be worried. Harry saw on the map who he really was instead of who he thought he was (Moody). No, somehow the animagus transformation blocks the true identity in a way that the Polyjuice potion does not. Polyjuice potion only changes the outward appearance - the animagus transformation is a genuine metamorphosis.

Posted Jul 15, 2003 at 1:11 AM EST

Squib

House: Gryffindor
Points: 164

Kadyak says:

Sorry EclektiK I missed your first post in the 1926-1950 range, so I was referring to your second post before. Regarding Krum - I whole heartedly agree. Regarding the new DADA teacher I don't agree so much. First of all, I've made it abundantly clear that I think Fudge has to go. PERIOD. He is now too compromised. Whether or not a member of the Order will come to Hogwarts is a matter of strategy and DD will have to decide where the person is most needed. To that degree I agree with you. I think, however, it might be more important for one of them to come to Hogwarts than you think. We'll see.

Not to pick on anybody, but in looking a posts I have noticed a couple of things: 1) the word for one who captures another is "captor;" and the plural of a Latin noun that ends in "us" in the singular end in "i" in the plural (e.g. cactus, cacti). I believe also, based on general observation of Latin, that the feminine form of "animagus" would be "animaga" (sing.: alumnus/alumna; plural: alumni/alumnae)

Posted Jul 15, 2003 at 1:22 AM EST

Squib

House: Gryffindor
Points: 164

Kadyak says:

Funny, in neither the RC Chuch nor the Orthdoox Church, both of which are very atuned to associating colors with seasons and themes, is green associated with the evil one. In fact, green is the color used for Pentecost often - everything being enlivened by the Holy Spirit.

Furthermore, if green is to be associated with the evil one and JKR uses it for the Avada Kedavra curse, what are people complaining about? Voldemort is the "devil" figure in HP and Avada Kedavra is his chief weapon - murder. Christ Himself says that the devil was a liar and a murderer from the beginning. OK, Harry has green eyes. I think that locking in on this single point is typical of not seeing one detail in its overall context (see my posting regarding textual analysis).

Posted Jul 15, 2003 at 1:30 AM EST

Squib

House: Gryffindor
Points: 164

Kadyak says:

Actually, I was discounting the idea that Mimbulus Mimbletonia would be Latin. The ending "us" is a Latin nominative, masculine, singular ending for a noun. The phonetic group "mimbl," however, just doesn't sound Latin. It sounds more germanic (German,Dutch,Scandanavian, etc.) or anglo-saxon. Of course, words have been latinised over the course of centuries in scientific circles, proper names in particular. However, the fact that this doesn't seem to have the ring of a real Latin origin, I was led to wonder if it might not be an anagram.

If this is the case, we would have to consider so many possibilities. Of course, we cannot start of with the assumption that "mimbulus" corresponds to one word and "mimbletonia" to one other word. It's more than I wish to try to work out at the moment. I'll leave that to someone with too much time on his or her hands.

Alternatively, does "mimble" mean something? I don't have a dictionary in front of me, and even if I did it would be American. Perhaps the Oxford Dictionary could give a clue?

Question: I saw "gaol" on the site WitchyWays refers to above. I think of this as old English, but perhaps my wife said that it is still the British spelling? (She atended school in Hong Kong for two years in the early '70s.) If so, I bet British find the American "jail" rather funny looking.

Good night.

Posted Jul 15, 2003 at 2:56 AM EST

Squib

House: Gryffindor
Points: 109

Remus_lupin says:

whether or not Krum takes up the DADA Teacher Post he will be definitely in the coming books. Because the row between HErmoine and Ron definetly has to end. And I think Viktor will help HArry in some way and as I said earlier We might see Krum/ Fleur in the coming books.

And as I mentioned in one of my previous posts the time when OWL results arrive is very confusing because Fred and George recived it before the term ended in PoA and Harry will receive it only in the end of July. Pretty confusing...

Your Thoughts...

Posted Jul 15, 2003 at 4:38 AM EST

Student

House: Gryffindor
Points: 247

Sattouta says:

sorry for that long post :)
Remus_lupin , i agree with you about krum and fleur would be in the next book, i actually thought they will reapear in the fifth book but they didn't, i think jk had created these two character for more than what they do in the GOF,i really think they will have a major rule in the next book,maybe fleur will be back to have a job in hogwart,and krum too will be back to make this jeolousy arise again between ron and hermione.and may help harry.( by the way ,did they graduate??)
about the owls result i also agree with you ,it's really confusing,but may the rules has changed when the minstry get involve into hogwart,so as to stop DD from doing anything without their knowledge,you know,so many things chane in hogwarts this time and may be they didn't have the time to fix that :)
sorry again for being that long, but i have a theory of my own, i think the relation betwen snap and harry will take a quiet good shape in the next book,i liked snape in oop, and he didn't seem so evil and creul to me, i think snap will treat harry more kindly even if he didn't show it in front of other people or even he didn't make harry feel the change,but i think he will have more kind towrad harry and maybe he will save him from something just to clear all that snap being evil thing.

Posted Jul 15, 2003 at 6:15 AM EST

Order of Merlin, 2nd Class

House: Gryffindor
Points: 1782

Juno Puddifoot says:

I know the death of Sirius ... :( although I was thinking PLEASE not Neville for a long time ... so it took me by surprise.

Okay on Nott, my thoughts are, if you go to Goblet of Fire, Voldie speaks to Nott in a way that makes you realise that he (Nott) is only there out of fear of what would happen to him if he didn't show, not out of loyalty or even misplaced loyalty like Malfoy might have (for what Voldie stands for being erm, Anti-muggle anti-mudblood, pro-Pureblood).

Snape, I know JK said in an interview that by book 7 we woiuld see why Snape didn't have a love interest (awwww poor ol Snapy, he was really growing on me, I thought I could detect a note of well, if not sympathy ... maybe some empathy with Harry ... but then)

Still reading back a ways in the posts

Posted Jul 15, 2003 at 7:19 AM EST

Order of Merlin, 2nd Class

House: Gryffindor
Points: 1782

Juno Puddifoot says:

sorry to post twice, that comment above regarding Nott was Nott Snr ... what if the death witnessed by younger Nott was of his mother? (yes I think it was mentioned for a reason too, especially as he is referred as a 'skinny boy' and later by name). There may be a move away from blindly following Voldemort.

Does anyone else remember that JK also said that life for Dudley was not going to be as good as it was following book 4 or 5??? Wonder what'll happen to poor old dudders next? lol

Posted Jul 15, 2003 at 7:24 AM EST

Head Girl

House: Gryffindor
Points: 479

eclektic says:

regulus black:
its great that u finally read the book and that u loved it. but ron was keeper. not chaser.. :)

to those who are still doubtful of crookshanks:
i honestly think that he's part kneazle. my evidence? jkr mentioned it in an interview.

snape being nicer to harry and draco malfoy becomes chummy with boy hero:
i think that its really difficult to change one's personality after acting a certain way for a really long time. there's no way that someone is suddenly going to be all nice and friendly with harry after a long history of animosity. even dumbledore himself underestimated the ill feelings that snape had for harry when he was teaching him occlumency and the fact that harry invaded snape's privacy by looking in the pensieve is not going to cause a 360 degree change in the manner that snape treats him. i think we sld remember jkr's warning that we sld still keep put for snape and not feel too sorry for him.

malfoy and harry's relationship is going to remain the way it is i'm afraid. in fact, i feel that it will become worse. remember how harry was directly responsible for his father's imprisonment in azkaban? any human being wld have his hatred intensify rather than diminish if someone were to send his dad to prison. malfoy is too much like his father to suddenly become a better person. in fact, i think that when he becomes of age, he wld join voldemort's rank as a death eater and duel with harry at one point in the future.

Moderator's Note: Don't use chatspeak ("u" = you... spell it out, please.)

Posted Jul 15, 2003 at 9:03 AM EST

Head Girl

House: Gryffindor
Points: 468

Charlie'sMum says:

Re: My Ripper theroy - the reason I thought he might play a part was because JKR brought up the treeing incident in the 5th book, and she is not a random person, so I'm thinking there's a reason she's reminding us of Ripper. I've been wrong before though.
I like the discussion about the color green. Also purple seems to come up quite a lot. The train is purple, lots of people seem to wear purple, Lilac is Gilderoy's favorite color, etc. I had more, but I can't remember them now. Purple is a power color, and symbolizes royalty. I think people are right in paying attention to color as it probably does afford some clues.
Imaquiddich fan - hey! I'm a 36 year old mother too. Cool.
Also, I agree that Crookshanks is part Kneable.
Not sure if this was brought up before, but now that Dumbledore is back, is he going to re-hire Trewlawney, or is she just going to remain in retirement at Hogwarts? Any thoughts?

Posted Jul 15, 2003 at 9:07 AM EST

Wizard

House: Slytherin
Points: 533

dimtick says:

alright just read a bunch of posts from last night, can't remember who wrote what: (sorry about the length)
About Draco or Slytherin joining DA: I think it highly unlikely that Draco will join DA, but I do think some Slytherin will. Draco's "power" comes from being from a rich & high-up wizarding family. Now that his father has been exposed, this has got to drastically cut Dracos popularity (even among Slytherin) which makes it likes for some of them to join Harry (having seen the light).
I think Draco will be a very unpopular boy next year even among his own. This unpopularity will magnify his hatrid of Harry and garantee that Draco will join the DE to help him extract his revenge. I also agree with someelse

comment that Draco is a coward and won't openly attack Harry (even with his body guards) but will work from the shadows trying to backstab him.

A note about Crookshanks: just got finished re-reading PoA. Siruis is actually able to talk to Crookshanks, and Crookshanks is able to talk to him. Would be good for Harry/Hermoine to also learn to talk to him.
Lupin as able to see Scabbers labeled as Peter Pettigrew on the marauders map (so you can see animagus on the map), but did not see anything for Crookshanks so I'm doubting the animagus theory. I do hold out that Crookshanks was another wizard that was transformed by a bad wizard into a cat and is stuck that way unable to change back. Maybe if the transformation is done by a curse you don't show up on the map.

About Fred/George not seeing Scabber on the map. Fred & George were at Hogwarts before Ron got there. they had probably already memorized the map at that point and no longer needed to use it by the time Ron got there.

For the new DADA teacher I would like to see Lupin return or maybe Moody (the real Moody)

About Luna Lovegood: My theory is that Luna is not what she appears. I think that her "looniness" is an act. I think she may be one of Harry's guardians for DD. The part at the end where she was looking for her stuff was probably an excuse for her to check up on Harry since he wasn't at the feast. I also think that Harry & Luna will get together. Harry is able to relax around Luna in a way he wasn't able to with others (even Ginny). He also shares a bond with her because she also gets tormented alot by other students. Luna was te only DA member (besides Harry) that cames through the battle unhurt.

Posted Jul 15, 2003 at 9:39 AM EST

Wizard

House: Slytherin
Points: 533

dimtick says:

about Krum: I don't think he will be a DADA teacher. He may come to be a broom flying/ quiditch instructor. I would be nice to get a little quiditch rivaly going between the 2, see how Harry holds up when facing a real quiditch champion.

Posted Jul 15, 2003 at 10:26 AM EST

Animagus

House: Gryffindor
Points: 19544

Sirius-Ella says:

Yes, now that you mention it Draco will not become chummy with Harry..but what if he does just to get close to him and somehow like someone said....backstab him..I don't think Harry would let this happen..but oh well just a thought.. Yes! it would be nice for Harry or Hermione to learn how to talk to kneazle's (crookshanks) But didn't sirius only talk to crookshanks when he was a dog...meaning he was ABLE to talk to animals? I have to admit I enjoyed alittle more information about snape in this book...learning that he does have feelings BUT hides them...I can't see Snape falling in love though...I think if they continue Occlumencey Snape will learn more about Harry and see that Harry isn't some prettied up nancy boy..he has had a hard life..and maybe Snape will MAYBE respect Harry alittle bit more

Posted Jul 15, 2003 at 11:07 AM EST

Animagus

House: Gryffindor
Points: 19544

Sirius-Ella says:

er um I meant meaning to talk to animals only when he himself was a dog...sorry moderator lol

Posted Jul 15, 2003 at 11:09 AM EST

Animagus

House: Gryffindor
Points: 19544

Sirius-Ella says:

ok I hate posting more then I have too..but I keep forgetting to say this...lol.....WHO felt sooooo relieved and sooo I dunno what when harry and george(or fred) punched malfoy! I actually went "WOOHOOO GO HARRY AND (FRED OR GEORGE WHICHEVER I THINK IT WAS GEORGE) anyway who felt the same way I did..? lol

Posted Jul 15, 2003 at 2:23 PM EST

Wizard

House: Slytherin
Points: 533

dimtick says:

sirius-ella - yeah I was pretty happy for Harry. You change status every 100 points. I think you get 1 point per posting.
On the same subject can anyone tell me where you've found all these user pictures. I am a little computer illiterate and have no idea what a URL is.

Posted Jul 15, 2003 at 2:33 PM EST

Metamorphmagus

House: Gryffindor
Points: 37939

tonks black says:

dimtick - a URL is the website of a picture. when you find a picture you want, you can right click and click properties and thing the thing that says http://www.blahblahblah.com/blah/blah is the url. it dont really say blah, but when you find the picture you want you can go to edit your profile and put in the URL of the picture where it says something about the picture.

Posted Jul 15, 2003 at 2:46 PM EST