Discussion: The 'Phoenix' files

Metamorphmagus

House: Gryffindor
Points: 37939

tonks black says:

dimtick - a URL is the website of a picture. when you find a picture you want, you can right click and click properties and thing the thing that says http://www.blahblahblah.com/blah/blah is the url. it dont really say blah, but when you find the picture you want you can go to edit your profile and put in the URL of the picture where it says something about the picture.

Posted Jul 15, 2003 at 2:46 PM EST

Snape's Woman
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House: Ravenclaw
Points: 5392

Prof. Andaxia Moonstar says:

I read somewhere that we would be seeing Aragog and the flying car again, so this probably means Harry will be returning to the forest in the future. Most likely, he will meet more of the creatures that live there, since (besides Quirrell/Voldemort and Grawp) we have only come across three different creatures - unicorns, centaurs, and acromantula (oh, and bowtruckles too). There must be a larger variety than that in the forest.

I am also curious as to whether we will see the acromantula at the end of the maze in GOF again (the one that attacked Harry). By the way, how did the wizards get a flesh-eating acromantula in the maze to begin with? Was it subdued by charms or did it come willingly? Did Aragog send it?

In reference to an earlier post, the reason vampires weren't mentioned in Fantastic Beasts was that they are considered beings, not beasts. This also explains why there is no mention of hags or goblins, as well.

A minor clarification: the three dead people in the Riddle house were Tom Riddle Sr. and his parents (Voldemort's father and paternal grandparents).

On the mimbulus mimbletonia, I also tried several Latin websites to find a definition, but struck out. The only thing I could find was from the Chamber of Secrets computer game. In the dueling section, there is a spell called "mimblewimble" that makes the victim unable to cast their next spell correctly. I don't know if they're related or not, but thought I would mention it.

Posted Jul 15, 2003 at 3:20 PM EST

Animagus

House: Gryffindor
Points: 19544

Sirius-Ella says:

HarryDan:
We all are wondering that, I think it will be a new character...EVEN though Lupin can't come back to teach for the dumbest reasons, I would love for him to come back...but thats a phat chance..Also there are theories out there saying the harry's green eyes have something to do with power and they are powerful..I don't want to steal this theorie and say its my own..but I read it somewhere and thought maybe those who didn't think of it should put that into prespective ;) They are saying that young harry used his eyes against vol---er You-Know-Who and that was the cause of dreams of green light..but i doubt that but I do think his eyes have some secret....
-sirius-ella-

Posted Jul 15, 2003 at 3:59 PM EST

Madam Librarian

House: Gryffindor
Points: 13160

I-Pie says:

I thought it was beneath Harry and George to beat up on
Draco. He is such a poor loser they should have ignored
him.

Posted Jul 15, 2003 at 4:09 PM EST

Animagus

House: Gryffindor
Points: 19544

Sirius-Ella says:

Sirius-Ella says:

yea yea i-pie....but he deserved it...it some-what put it in his place..lol...ok any theories on..why they brought the time=turner back up in the 5th book? I don't have ootp in front of me but I remember reading when they were escaping from the d/e's in the Dept Of Myst. they knocked a box over full of what looked like time turners..anyone remember that?

Posted Jul 15, 2003 at 4:26 PM EST

Madam Librarian

House: Gryffindor
Points: 13160

I-Pie says:

I think JKR mentioned the time turners in OOP because Harry
and company were in the Time Room. Everything in that
room had to do with controlling or studying time. Remember
in Book 3, Hermione told Harry that Prof. M. had to write letters and go through alot of red tape to get her a time
turner. I expect she got it from the MOM. What the MOM uses them for is the interesting
question?

Posted Jul 15, 2003 at 4:46 PM EST

Order of Merlin, 2nd Class

House: Gryffindor
Points: 1782

Juno Puddifoot says:

Okay well last night I was thinking about the unspeakables, Bode & Croaker, 'Bode' means - what happens in the future, and 'croak' is slang in some circles and means to die... don't know how common thta is, its not even that common here in Aust. so thought I'd mention it. so I wonder if this suggests where they work[ed] work in the Department of Mysteries.

Posted Jul 15, 2003 at 6:54 PM EST

Order of Merlin, 2nd Class

House: Gryffindor
Points: 1782

Juno Puddifoot says:

Me again ... I have to stop doing this ... The eyes ... well my take on the eyes is that what is important is that they are his mother's eyes. I don't know if the colour is important. I keeping thinking of the movie where he has blue eyes. But I think maybe his mother (noted for her charmwork perhaps) has charmed Harry in someway that is evidenced by the eyes. His dad being noted for transfiguation, well I keep thinking of Harry's hair sticking up like his dad used to train his to do as school. Alas I haven't got further on what it might actually all mean.

Krum, I agree sort of that he'll play a part... although I dunno about Ron & Hermione I mean they really bicker too much. I think the DADA teacher had better be someone pretty experienced, I mean, now everyone knows that Voldemorts back, they might takes things more seriously. Plus how about some erm, defensive physical manouverability (sp?) sessions.

Alysha, I think a few people (me inclluded) are thinking that Voldemort can be killed now that he is living 'proper' as the result of that graveyard spell. Or maybe taking Harry's blood weakened him in some other way we don't know about yet. We just now that there was a glint in DD's eye:)

Posted Jul 15, 2003 at 7:13 PM EST

Metamorphmagus

House: Gryffindor
Points: 37939

tonks black says:

I-Pie - thats a good point about the time turners. it is awfully mysterious that the ministry has a box full of them. they already know they work, so why should they other bothered to keep them? very interesting..

Posted Jul 15, 2003 at 8:21 PM EST

Prefect

House: Ravenclaw
Points: 361

LaDonna says:

I don't really think we'll see a return of the time turners. Voldemort's snake may indeed have a link to Harry as some have pointed out.
Humor me here, but I have an idea how to kill voldemort. He can't really stand to be around love right or when people feel strong feelings of love towards someone that is gone. What happens if Ginny (whom if I remember correctly is good at charms) projects Harry's memories of the people he's loved and lost, the same with Neville and others into Voldemort's mind so he has to feel everything in a short amount of time. He just might go mad and use the killing curse on himself just so he won't have to deal with the emotions. Just a thought.

Posted Jul 15, 2003 at 8:29 PM EST

Order of Merlin, 2nd Class

House: Gryffindor
Points: 1782

Juno Puddifoot says:

Okay Ima Quidditch Fan, I have been thinking about that discussion from a few days back worrying Harry might die in Book 7. I don't think he will, I think he will realise that the people who love him and his friends are his 'family' and that the people he lost have never, (in some way), really left him. This might explain the feeling mentioned before by someone that if he turned around he would see Sirius. (I don't mean that they are all ghosts because we know they are not.) I have also wondered about the priori incantatum/graveyard scene, and how he sort of met his parents but they seemed to know exactly what was going on. Maybe they are with him more than he realises.

I think you are on to something HarryDan, that Aunt P is hiding something. I like that whole idea about Ripper too cos that had never occurred to me.

LaDonna I like that theory too.

I really wonder about who Harry is related to on his fathers side at very least and what has happened to his house ... I mean if he came from a wizarding family he might well have a family home like the House of Black. Sorry don't know if that's been discussed before.

Posted Jul 15, 2003 at 10:47 PM EST

Snape's Woman
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Prof. Andaxia Moonstar says:

I also believe that Tonks will have a bigger role to play in the next two books. I can see her kind of adopting Harry as a younger brother. I also feel we will find out more about Dedalus Diggle, as he has been mentioned in at least two of the books (SS/PS and OOTP). I think that Diggle has been one of his guardians.

Interesting theory on Mr. Tibbles and Mrs. Norris both being either pure Kneazle or part Kneazle. That is definitely a possibility. Perhaps most wizards have the potential to speak to cats, but don't use it because they're preoccupied with other tasks. Since Squibs can't perform magic, they're more likely to be attuned to that ability and use it.

Currently re-reading POA and found it ironic that Sirius was indeed a Grim - not Harry's, but his own.

Posted Jul 16, 2003 at 2:18 AM EST

Squib

House: Gryffindor
Points: 166

SueB says:

Tonks Black-
I'm worried about Ron too! The HP sleuth guide (which is a good read) barely acknowledges his existence in the future. That's the way most people treat him. Really take him for granted. He was so bothered by his lack of money and Harry's fame in GoF. I thought he was heading down the wrong path. On the other hand, in OOTP he really got to shine a prefect and finally succeed at Quidditch. Perhaps, especially with Fred & George provided the occaissional materialistic splurge, he won't be tempted to go "to the dark side". He certainly proved his mettle with Percy's letter. I hope JKR develops him more in the upcoming books (in a good way) because he's been marginalized compared to Harry & Hermione.

Then again....back to the old Winter's Tale theory. May he doesn't turn "Bad" but does something stupid out of jealousy.

My two cents,
SueB

Posted Jul 16, 2003 at 4:16 AM EST

Metamorphmagus

House: Gryffindor
Points: 37939

tonks black says:

WitchyWays - In my opinion, i think Percy is going to stay with the MOM. I'm not trying to be rude about him, but the opinion i have of him is a suck-up who wants to have power so he can be known. And besides being known for his red hair and freckles, he cannot get much fame and recogition from his famlily for anything but being smart is how i think he visions it.Percy probably thinks he is in the MoM and has an oppertunity to myabe become the minster of magic, in which case, he would be well known.i agree about percy being a mini-fudge. and my last thought on this topic is that lucious is voldemorts number one supporter and he had fudge under the cruciatuous or imperious curse(which ever one controls you, i forgot which)and lucious knew fudge would believe Dumbledore and then everyone would believe fudge and voldemort wasnt ready to be exposed.

HGreenbacker8705 - were you trying to explain that voldemort is just on the earth, and not living since he cant feel and that harry was living since he could feel pain and emotions?

HarryDan- I agree that Tonks will play a big role in the upcoming books, or maybe she wont and metamorphohus will play an important role and that was why they were introduced in book 5.

This is my random comment and it is kinda related to what SueB was posting about. In book one when harry looked into the mirror of erised and saw his parents and all those other people, it was people from the order i think. so i believe that the mirror tells a message for the future to.Harry is always surrounded by people who will love him and know him because they were his parents friends and when he looks in the mirror when he was threw the trapdoor at the end , he looked and saw the stone in his pocket. this could mean that harry will always get what voldemort wants and voldemort will not get it from him.Now when Ron looked in the mirror earlier in the book, he saw himself as quidditch captain and headboy(i think thats right, if not correct me) but Ron was alone. That could of meant Ron could be sucessful and get what he wants, but he would have noone to share the joy with.So maybe Ron will choose to stay in the shadows and not be known and have what he wants, and then he would still have friends and be loved by them but he will have to try and do sometthing that voldemort would do to learn that. sorry for how long this is.

Posted Jul 16, 2003 at 8:02 AM EST

Squib

House: Gryffindor
Points: 109

Remus_lupin says:

I personally feel that Percy will not play a big part in the coming two books. I would like Charlie returning back and also Bill getting together with Fleur. I think they will play a bigger part in the books 6 & 7. Percy though could be placed somewhere else in the MOM now that Fudge has not much use for him now that everyone knows that Voldie is back.

And as you said Tonks is going to play a bigger role with her special Metamorphagus abilities.

Umbridge will be atleast mentioned in the next books now, Seeing how Rita Skeeter came out of nowhere in OOTP.

And most probably Centaurs, giants, goblins, and also elves will play a part. I think we will see (I dont remember his name) but Bill mentioned about a Goblin not taking any sides and his friends.

Posted Jul 16, 2003 at 8:08 AM EST

Madam Librarian

House: Gryffindor
Points: 13160

I-Pie says:

I think Luna is strange because she watched her Mother
die when she was 9 yes old. Her Mother's death caused Luna's father to start chasing the impossible and raising
Luna to believe in them. I think this was their way of
dealing with her death. I do not think Luna and Harry will
make a match but she will turn up in Books 6&7.

By the way, Luna did get hurt in the MOM. When Harry was chasing BL though the Brain Room, he passed Luna lying on the floor groaning. Luna, like Neville and Ginny, did not
need long term care that Ron and Hermione needed from Madam Pomefroy.

Posted Jul 16, 2003 at 8:33 AM EST

Student

House: Gryffindor
Points: 247

Sattouta says:

to all who thinks this post is long( like i do) sorry :)
ok,here's my third posting ,first i want to tell you all that all your theiories r beyond incredible
,you really read and search a lot ,i like to read all your posts .
ok, someone said that voldie can't be killed because he drink unicorne blood in the first book,i agree with that
but in OOTP DD told voldie that there are othe ways to destroy a man he also said"There is nothing worse than death, Dumbledore!' snarled Voldemort.
'You are quite wrong,' said Dumbledore" and "Indeed, your failure to understand that there are things much worse than death has always been your greatest weakness - '"
i don't know what that means ,but it's obvious that DD is planing something other than killing to voldie may be a dementors kiss will do.what do you think?
krum and fleur , i raelly think they will be back in a big role in the next book.as i said before jk had created them incredibly good to do more than they did in GOF.
james potter ,i was soooo disapointing to see him like this, i do't know what i will do if i discovered that my father was like this, i may not speak with him agin never. but harry had proved that he grown up,to go ask suirs
before he had his last judment was a very wise move. but i m still dispointed, i thought james would be noble.
about his familly too ,where is it ? why they didn't take harry instead? i also wander why they always say that lily sacrified herself to save harry,and not mention a word about james ,althought he also died trying to protect lily and harry
why they alaws say that lily's soul will protect harry and not james? i wonder.
ok that will be all. :)

Posted Jul 16, 2003 at 9:03 AM EST

Auror

House: Ravenclaw
Points: 2374

TrueBluePotterFan says:

tonks black - Remember that the mirror of Erised simply shows a person what they desire. In Harry's case he desired to be with his family. Hence it showed him with all his family. In Ron's case he desired to be as successful or more successful than his older brothers. Hence the mirror showed him as quidditch captain and headboy. The mirror does not show the future, but simply desires.

Posted Jul 16, 2003 at 9:11 AM EST

Order of Merlin, 2nd Class

House: Gryffindor
Points: 1782

Juno Puddifoot says:

SAN I too wonder why they say that about Lily and not James, because he died for them too.

As far as James behaviour in Snape's memory well I would firstly think as so many say, that there are two sides to every story and then there is the truth.

Posted Jul 16, 2003 at 9:24 AM EST

Madam Librarian

House: Gryffindor
Points: 13160

I-Pie says:

SAN: Regarding James sacrifice versus Lily, from the
book and the movie, Lily did not have to die. She begged
Voldemort to take her and spare Harry. Supposedly, this
makes her death, I would say, a little more special than
James' death. Plus, no one mentions her having a wand
to protect herselves. Inference is that James had his
wand and dueled with Voldemort so he had a chance to survive.

Posted Jul 16, 2003 at 9:48 AM EST

Old Chortlebones

House: Hufflepuff
Points: 2601

Newt Scamander says:

SAN - There are three ways that I can think of about how to understand Dumbledore telling Voldemort that there are things worse than death:

1. He doesn't want to give away to Voldemort the second half of the Prophecy, and that is that Dumbledore actually cannot kill Voldemort, because only Harry can as long as both Harry and Voldemort are alive.

2. Dumbledore, smart man that he is, is actually pointing out facts to Voldemort. There are indeed many, many things worse than death, a Dementor's kiss being one of them. Remember when Moody said to Harry that he'd rather be dead than have happen to him what happened to the Longbottoms? This is yet another thing worse than death. Torturing can be a treachery much, much worse than death, and I'm sure that some people in the Order would love to let Voldemort suffer unbearable pain while he still lives.

3. A combination of the above two, which is the most likeliest reason he told Voldemort this. Yes, Dumbledore knows that he cannot kill Voldemort, as he was the one who heard the Prophecy, and one of the now two people who know of the whole entire thing. And he is probably also aware of how great a thing death can look to those who experience such terrible pain that they can't even think.

Posted Jul 16, 2003 at 9:56 AM EST

George Can'tStandya says:

HGreenbacker8705- I feel that you are on to something with the whole being versus living. I am not exactly sure of teh definitions yet, but it bears looking at all teh scenes with the ghosts. Specifically, the Death day party, and Harry's conversatioon with Nick at teh end of OOP. Ghosts seem to think they have made a mistake, at least Nick does. When we fidn out more about what cuases some people to remian behind, I think we will see some of Voldemort's undoing. Good catch on that one.

Posted Jul 16, 2003 at 10:13 AM EST

Animagus

House: Gryffindor
Points: 19544

Sirius-Ella says:

Wow, man we are going to have this book done before J.k. lol...alooooooot of good theories that really make sense! I think or agree with Newt Scamander about the 2 ways worse then death but I think not dying would be worse just like everyone said...being there and not useful kinda what the dementors kiss does ;) OK..I fineshed re-reading the 2nd year again and Ihave a couple questions.. After the quidditch match when harry gets his arm broken and sent to the hospital wing cause you know lockheart ;) and dobby appears in the middle of the night...and has to leave cause dd is coming in..ok I thought who knows how many times hermione said..you can't apperate...how come dobby just did?

Posted Jul 16, 2003 at 11:17 AM EST

Old Chortlebones

House: Hufflepuff
Points: 2601

Newt Scamander says:

Sirius-Ella - House-elves, as has been said, have their very own kind of magic. Dobby doesn't Apparate and Disapparate as a Wizard does. This is the same with Fawkes. Fawkes has the ability to burst into flames and appear somewhere else, even in Hogwarts, but because it isn't Wizard's magic, I suppose it's not really Apparating. I believe this is how Dumbledore escaped after telling Fudge that he was running the DA (can someone confirm? I let someone borrow my book). Though this seemed somewhat odd to me, as a powerful Dark wizard may be able to get inside Hogwarts if he has a loyal pet or elf who has the ability of their own type of Apparation (I only know that house-elves, phoenixes, and diriclaws can do this), I now think that it is probably fine. Phoenixes are not loyal to Dark wizards, as their songs put fear in impure hearts. Diriclaws, to my knowledge, are not pets to any Witch or Wizard. And house-elves...well, let's hope Dumbledore thought of that.

That's how I interpreted it.

Posted Jul 16, 2003 at 11:31 AM EST

Madam Librarian

House: Gryffindor
Points: 13160

I-Pie says:

Sirius-Ella:
I think the disapparating/apparating (sp) rule applies only
to human wizards. Dobby popped in and out and in OOP
Fawkes disappears and takes DD with him.

Posted Jul 16, 2003 at 11:34 AM EST

Animagus

House: Gryffindor
Points: 19544

Sirius-Ella says:

ooooooh well, I feel like a ditz..I coulda figured that out LOL! I'm going to start re-reading the fourth one cause I just barely paid attention to it cause the 5th book was coming out in the couple days I was reading it so I was in a hurry...lol...alot of people i know say they didn't like to 4th..I can understand why..it was probably cause thats were the darkness starts to show in the books..cedric dying n'all....anyway I thought it was just as good as the 5th one...so off I go! *pop*
-sirius-ella-

Posted Jul 16, 2003 at 11:55 AM EST