Discussion: The 'Phoenix' files

Animagus

House: Gryffindor
Points: 19544

Sirius-Ella says:

ooooooh well, I feel like a ditz..I coulda figured that out LOL! I'm going to start re-reading the fourth one cause I just barely paid attention to it cause the 5th book was coming out in the couple days I was reading it so I was in a hurry...lol...alot of people i know say they didn't like to 4th..I can understand why..it was probably cause thats were the darkness starts to show in the books..cedric dying n'all....anyway I thought it was just as good as the 5th one...so off I go! *pop*
-sirius-ella-

Posted Jul 16, 2003 at 11:55 AM EST

Wizard

House: Slytherin
Points: 533

dimtick says:

Newt Scamander - you point about phoenix's brings a question to my mind which has always bugged me. I can understand why Fawkes would be drawn to Harry, and it would make sence that 1 of Fawkes wands would end up in Harry's hand, but I can't seem to figure out why the other Fawkes wand would choose Voldemort ("the wand chooses the wizard"). I can't figure out why something so pure as Fawkes would choose Voldemort and thus be put to such evil use. Maybe becuase Tom Riddle was initially "pure of heart", but that sure doesn't seem to be the case from CoS.

Posted Jul 16, 2003 at 11:59 AM EST

Squib

House: Gryffindor
Points: 109

Remus_lupin says:

Dimtick I think fawkes gave the second feather after the prophecy was made and so after Voldies wand choose Tom Riddle it is obvious that only the one who he marked his equal would get the wand which was made by Fawkes's other feather.

Since Harry had Voldermorts power in him.

Good Question though of first of all the Fawkes feather wand chose Voldermort Guess either it was predestined or pure coincidence.

Posted Jul 16, 2003 at 12:08 PM EST

Squib

House: Gryffindor
Points: 109

Remus_lupin says:

Sorry for Double posting

I dont think it matters whether one is pure of heart for choosing a wand

Posted Jul 16, 2003 at 12:15 PM EST

Head Girl

House: Gryffindor
Points: 479

eclektic says:

remus_lupin:
the prophecy was made 16 years ago and voldemort is actually abt 60over yrs old. he got the wand with fawkes' feather before the prophecy was made. the wand chooses the wizard but it is the wizards' choices that matter in the end. voldemort chose to do evil with the wand that he had but harry chose to do good. i believe that while the wand determines who it wants to function for, it will in the end be merely a tool for furthering the cause of the wizard/witch whether it be good or bad..

Posted Jul 16, 2003 at 12:29 PM EST

Head Girl

House: Gryffindor
Points: 479

eclektic says:

abt voldemort not being able to die:
i actually felt that he would die in the end but previously, pple have mentioned that he did indeed take steps in order to die a mortal death. but in the 5th book, dumbledore did say that there are worse fates than death itself. some have provided theories (can be found in previous posts) that he might be trapped with the 'spirits' of the pple that he had killed before. i think that this is worse than dying, its like being in hell itself to be tormented by the spirits of the pple that u have slaughtered..

harry-ron-hermione triangle
man, the discussion on the 3 of them doesnt seem to end does it? lol. i posted this before and i dun think that hermione is playing with both thier feelings. a great example wld be that she actually admonished ron for being so tactless when he asked abt cho's quidditch team; the tornados. she went on to tell him that he was insensitive to the fact that cho wanted to talk to harry alone and he was too thick to realise that. on a seperate occasion, it was she who dragged ron away to the library when cho approached harry abt the vday date. i thunk she and harry have reached to a point in their relationship that they're really comfortable with one another and that it is strictly platonic in nature. cant say abt her and ron tho... ;)

Posted Jul 16, 2003 at 12:40 PM EST

Head Girl

House: Gryffindor
Points: 479

eclektic says:

oh sorry.. abt my previous post:
i meant that voldemort had taken steps not to die a mortal death.

Posted Jul 16, 2003 at 12:49 PM EST

Squib

House: Hufflepuff
Points: 189

willow80 says:

I loved OOTP. I thought it was great. It even puts up a good fight for my favorite out of the seires so far, with book 3, POA.

I like the new characters to. Luna and Tonks were funny. Everytime one of them came into the picture, they would do or say something that I just couldn't help finding amusing. Kreacher was a character I liked too, but hated at the same time. I hated that he was able to trick Harry and that would put everyone down. But it was funny when he was saying all those mean things, it was as if he didn't think anyone could hear him. I laughed everytime.

Oh, I hatd Umbridge. Man, she was just cruel. She was making Snape look good. And Im not a big fan of Snape either. And well Fudge, don't even get me on him. Talk about someone who was in denial. And paranoid; he actually thought Dumbledore wanted his job and was going to build an army to get it. First off, Dumbledore wouldn't need an army to get Fudge out of MOM.

Sirius was the last one I expected to die in teh book. I knew it would be harry, ron, or hermione, or dumbledore, but Sirius never even registered. Although for awhile i thought it would be Neville, back even though he couldn't talk right because of his nose. And I thought the Death Eaters would kill him. I was mad that Sirius was the one killed in the end. he was my favorite character. I still don't understand the whole veil thing, but hopefully JKR will explain more about it in the next book.

I loved that we got a glimps of what James and his friends and snape your like toward eachother in school to. It show even more why Snape hates Harry. For awahile though i did feel sorry for him, because james and Sirius picked on him, butI got over it. And I learned why harry's hair would never lay flat, because his father was always messing up his hair and I guess that some form of magic made it possible for Harry's hair to be messy always with out messing it up him self. I also liked that we finally learn why Voldemort wanted to kill Harry. It was a shock though that it could have been Neville. Im sure there is more that Dumbledore could of said, but what we have learned so far was a start.

Well all in all, I loved the book and I will most like read it over and over. At least until the movie POA comes out to draw my attention away.

Posted Jul 16, 2003 at 1:15 PM EST

Head Boy

House: Gryffindor
Points: 405

Gandalf says:

The book is really good, and makes me think about the carrer advice chapter (I don't have the book right know, and I can't remember the number), which McGonagall and Umbrige told Harry that he will need 3 more years of training to become an auror.

Is that a clue to future books after Hogwarts? I hope so, because I just love the way JKR writes.

Please comment on this. I'm looking forward to read what you think.

Posted Jul 16, 2003 at 1:25 PM EST

Auror

House: Ravenclaw
Points: 2374

TrueBluePotterFan says:

Remus_lupin - In reference to your question about DD forming an alliance with the centaurs - I don't think he did. But DD has always respected all magical creatures and he is one of the greatest wizards. I think he could sweet talk the centaurs because of his knowledge of them and his attitude toward their race, but also I think the centaurs know DD's wizarding capabilities. On a related note, I think that Frien (sp?) will become the key to a future alliance between the wizards and the centaurs.

Posted Jul 16, 2003 at 1:33 PM EST

Tonks510 says:

I loved the 5th book but its made me start thinking about the last book. J.K. Rowling said she was going to stop right after the 7th book, so at first i thought Harry was going to die or maybe their would be an epiloge. Or maybe she just stops right then and thee leaving us to decide what happens to Harry. I also read she has already wrote the last chapter in the 7th book, but later she said she might change it so the last word might not be scar like she said. What could that sentence be? I have been thinking but can't think of anything?

Posted Jul 16, 2003 at 1:47 PM EST

Head Girl

House: Gryffindor
Points: 479

eclektic says:

someone wrote this in another post which i thought was really interesting although it disturbed me very much. i thought that i sld mention it here..
all of us have speculated on whether harry would be able to survive past the 7th book following his duel with voldemort. jkr has also mentioned that we sld not be sure of harry's fate in the series. i myself have voiced my scepticism abt this as i felt that good will ALWAYS triumph over evil and following this line of thought, voldemort would die, since the prophecy states that one lives while the other perishes.
however this person brought up a great theory and says that harry wld die while voldemort lives. harry dies and would be with the pple that he loves and have a great desire to be with; his father mother and sirius. voldemort lives but due to a backfired curse lives a life of eternal misery. (how im not too sure)
i felt that this theory is very very possible since harry dies to be re united with his loved ones and voldemort wld be living a life that is worse than death itself. i think that the part in the 5th book where voldemort possessed harry and that harry wldnt mind dying there and then, so that he wld be able to be re united with sirius is important as it might foreshadow certain things that might happen in the future where harry has to choose between life and death. it is poignant here that he decides on death instead of life itself. on top of that, i feel that this is something that jkr is very capable of doing becos we realise in all her books that there always is a lesson/moral that is to be learnt from it and her book is full of sentimentalism. she would not make harry's death to be an unjust one but smtg that sld be seen positively for he is with the pple whom he loves.

sorry for the long post. all i can say is, i really hope that the above wldnt happen because it wld really be devastating if harry dies..

Posted Jul 16, 2003 at 1:57 PM EST

Healer for all Occasions

House: Gryffindor
Points: 3567

Madam Malkin says:

I really hope Harry does not die! (obviously) I know JKR likes to drop hints and even lead us in the wrong direction, saying things to make us think. And boy, it sure works. Now she's got people wondering about Harry. I have so many questions following OotP, I can't even remember all of them at once. I have already posted a few of them on the site, in 'Phoenix' Analysis #1. So if anyone would like to see, look there. I'm very upset that Sirius was the one to go, as most of us are. I considered that he might die, but didn't think JK would do it in this book. Harry has every reason to be angry. Everyone that he has considered a parent has now died, except Dumbledore. Yikes! Maybe Harry can still have Lupin. I hope some good comes for Harry. If anyone deserves some happiness by the time the series is over, he does. As does everyone else that suffered at Voldemort's hands. I just think he has a lot more pain that hasn't even begun yet.

And one random question that I just remembered -- We all know about that look of truimph Dumbledore had at the end of book 4. And now we know about the Prophecy. We know that Voldemort and Harry cannot live together, and one has to kill the other. Dumbladore has always known this. And Dumbledore also said that Harry might one day be happy that he saved Wormtail's life. Is that day about to come? I mean, Voldie used Harry's blood to get his body back, blood touched by love. He took the hand ot his servant that is in debt to Harry. Now he has both ends of the deal inside him. He also has bone of his father, a mortal Muggle. It seems to me that Voldemort can indeed die now. That mich we have figured out. And Harry has to kill him. And Voldie had a servant (and flesh of that servant in his very body) that is in debt to Harry (whose loved blood flows in his body). See where I'm going with this? What if Voldemort really can't kill Harry, because of all this? What if Harry really can kill Voldie, but Voldie can't kill him?

Posted Jul 16, 2003 at 2:18 PM EST

Healer for all Occasions

House: Gryffindor
Points: 3567

Madam Malkin says:

What I mean is, Harry is the only one that can kill Voldemort, right? I think so. And Voldie is theoretically the only one that could kill Harry, right, if the Prophecy goes both ways. And what if (because of the ingerdients Voldie used in the potion)not even Voldemort can kill Harry? I don't mean to say that Harry is immortal, but it is a very interesting connection there I think. I must wonder about this.

Posted Jul 16, 2003 at 2:26 PM EST

Old Chortlebones

House: Hufflepuff
Points: 2601

Newt Scamander says:

HarryDan - Dumbledore didn't Apparate, the Phoenix did (in its own way) and it took Dumbledore with him. For what we believe are the reasons, read mine and someone else's (I forget their name, but they're back-to-back) posts just a couple posts above yours.

Gandalf - I didn't even speculate this (I'm surprised at myself!). It could mean that the books go on past Hogwarts, which would give Rowling a good amount of time to really complicate the plot and make it as interesting, complex, and unpredictable as possible. Maybe when we reach the end of book 7, both Harry and Voldemort will be alive. I'd be so excited at this, knowing that there's more to happen and more to learn.

We'll have to see. She did, after all, already write the chapter of the last book (and I believe it was named as the 'seventh book').

Posted Jul 16, 2003 at 2:40 PM EST

Tonks510 says:

she did write the last chapter but she said it could change when she does finally get to the last book.

Posted Jul 16, 2003 at 2:49 PM EST

Healer for all Occasions

House: Gryffindor
Points: 3567

Madam Malkin says:

I'm not surprised that Sirius did not choose to be a ghost. I mean, one factor we know about is that you have to be unhappy. Sirius died while he was still laughing at Bellatrix. It says the smile was still there. And he died defending Harry, something he wanted to do. That is just one factor of course. Looking again at what Nick told Harry, there are a few more clues than it looks like as to why Sirius won't be a ghost. So as sad as it is, I'm kind of glad Nick doen't think he's a ghost. I really want to see Sirius again, though. I mean, he is dead, but there is the portrait theory. (which would most likely be a young Sirius)I guess we just have to wait again, for the next book.

Posted Jul 16, 2003 at 2:59 PM EST

Metamorphmagus

House: Gryffindor
Points: 37939

tonks black says:

truebluepotterfan - i knew it showed that but i thought maybe DD was hiding something from Harry when he told him what the mirror was.also, the cenatuars wanted to kill freinze(sp?) so i doubt he will unite wizards and cenataurs
Gandalf -mcgonagall didnt say 3 moreyears of training. i believe she meant he needed 3 years or trainging after he got out of hogwarts.

also since sirius kinda died for harry, maybe if harry was around part of sirius's family too, he would be double protected and i really hope sirius becomes a portrait. as long as he aint like his mother..

Posted Jul 16, 2003 at 3:43 PM EST

Metamorphmagus

House: Gryffindor
Points: 37939

tonks black says:

HGreenbacker8705 - ok. thanks for clearing that up. im not sure if you meant this if you did then i give you credit but since voldemort is living like a mortal now cause he has a body and stuff, does that mean one of them is going to have to kill the other one soon?

Posted Jul 16, 2003 at 3:48 PM EST

Metamorphmagus

House: Gryffindor
Points: 37939

tonks black says:

hgreenbacker8705- that would be terrible if they didnt let harry have his freedom! then they would definatly lose the quidditch cup and things like that. but maybe it DD knows harry has the marauders map and voldemort would show up on it, DD might just tell harry to make sure he always has it with him. maybe him giving the invisibility cloak to harry has something else to do with if harry will be allowed to do things he normally does.

Posted Jul 16, 2003 at 3:59 PM EST

Old Chortlebones

House: Hufflepuff
Points: 2601

Newt Scamander says:

HGreenbacker8705 - While I see exactly what you mean (and agree), that part of the Prophecy is still a bit odd. I believe that Voldemort nearly died because when he attacked Harry, Harry still survived. However, whether or not Voldemort is "officially" living now, Harry spent either a year and a few months or just a few months (I forget which - anyone remember?) before Voldemort attacked the Potters, which was on Halloween. It hurts to think about that part of the Prophecy because of all the details about Voldemort's life from 1979/80 on.

And, speaking about Voldemort attacking the Potters on Halloween - I wonder if this means anything. I remember the Chamber first being opened in Harry's second year on Halloween as well. Harry's name comes out of the Goblet (and might've been put in on) Halloween in his fourth year. Quirrel/Voldemort sends in a troll on Halloween in the first year (yeah, a bit out of order, I am). What about the third and fifth books? Anyone remember?

Posted Jul 16, 2003 at 4:02 PM EST

Old Chortlebones

House: Hufflepuff
Points: 2601

Newt Scamander says:

I've decided for once to summarize my thoughts in bullet points. How nice of me!

-HGreenbacker8705, I think that he will continue his Occlumency lessons, but I wouldn't be surprised if Dumbledore teaches him this time. I think Dumbledore realizes that Snape hasn't grown up past his childhood grudge, and I think we're seeing the beginnings of the darkness Dumbledore fears Snape might plunge into if Snape became the Defense Against the Dark Arts teacher.

-HarryDan, Voldemort is...let's see...he was 16 in 1942, so he would be 66 in Harry's second year, so he is 69 in Harry's fifth year. Very good estimate. ::Laughs:: He will be 70 sometime in the next book, depending on his birthdate.

-I don't see why Harry wouldn't be back as Gryffindor's Seeker, and I agree, I do hope Harry sees yet another new stick in the window of Quality Quidditch Supplies when he shops at Diagon Alley (presuming he goes there this time around).

-I think that the DA meetings will continue, but it may become huge this time around. Perhaps Dumbledore will let Harry rent out the Great Hall every now and then. ::Laughs::

-I can't see us seeing Bagman or, as long as we're on the subject of people who ran away at the end of Book 4, Karkaroff again. They're both in hiding from terrible enemies: Bagman from the Goblins, and Karkaroff from Voldemort and his supporters.

-I believe McGonagall will help Harry in the next book. I can't think of anything else during "Career Advice" that foreshadows what will happen in the sixth book, as Dumbledore's already Headmaster again. Then again, there could be something very well hidden that no one can seem to pick up on.

-I don't think Ron is gullible or disloyal enough to go to the Dark Side. The only thing that I can think of that points to this is how much he hates being the "sidekick" to the famous Harry Potter. Of course, he wouldn't even be sidekick on the Dark Side.

Posted Jul 16, 2003 at 4:21 PM EST

Animagus

House: Gryffindor
Points: 19544

Sirius-Ella says:

wowie lol..alot posts in just 3 hours time...and wow so many good theories..I can't wait for the movie and the 6 year book...I think DD has learned from his mistakes and will give Harry some more freedom this time around and speak to him and keep him informed but not too informed ofcourse *snigger mrs.weasley* . I wonder who will teach Occlemancey to Harry....I was hoping DD..but he may still be skeptical about doing so.. I think Prof. Mcgonnagall will play not a big part but a more then usual part by helping Harry presue his "dream career what do you guys think?

Posted Jul 16, 2003 at 4:38 PM EST

Tonks510 says:

wow u all have good ideas!

Posted Jul 16, 2003 at 5:18 PM EST

Witch

House: Gryffindor
Points: 643

Hermaninny says:

I think it'd be great for McGonagall to play more a role in the books ahead. Has anyone noticed that she was in school at the same time as Tom Riddle? In an interview after book 4, JKR said that she was a 'ripe 70'. I wonder if we'll find anything about her school girl days. She's such an awesome character. I agree that Dumbledore will probably teach Harry Occulmancy, and without a doubt Harry will master it.

Also notice, the majority of the quidditch team graduated in book 5. Katie Bell, Angelina, Fred and George were all in their 7th year, the the twins' substitutes at the end were apparently not so great. As for chaser, I'm sure Ginny'd make it. She's already shown her talent by winning the Quidditch cup. I wonder who else will be on the team...Seamus and Dean Thomas perhaps? Maybe one or both of the Creevey brothers? What do you think?

Posted Jul 16, 2003 at 6:18 PM EST

Old Chortlebones

House: Hufflepuff
Points: 2601

Newt Scamander says:

HarryDan - Has it been confirmed that someone close to Harry will die? I presume that the Order will experience more losses, but I hadn't heard anything for sure about the sixth book. If it is one of the trio who dies in the sixth book, it would probably be Ron. I see Hermione as a parallel to Lily, being Muggle born, retorting at bullies (Draco), at first hating someone who (I believe) she loves (Viktor Krum). If she dies, I predict it will be as a sacrifice to Harry, just as Lily did. Of course, that could happen in the sixth book rather than the seventh, but it seems more climatic and better placed being in the end of this big story.

As of now, the Gryffindor Quidditch team looks like this:

Seeker - Harry Potter
Keeper - Ron Weasley
Chaser - Ginny Weasley (I presume, not confirmed)
Chaser - [blank]*
Chaser - [blank]**
Beater - Replacement 1***
Beater - Replacement 2***

* - I would venture a guess at someone below sixth year that we will meet for the first time.
** - This is unexpected, but with his growing powers...Neville?
*** - I forget their names and don't have my book handy. Anyone remember?

Does anyone else have any thoughts on who will fill the (probably) two empty Chaser spots? Will the Beaters stay or be replaced? And, of course: who will be captain? Will it be Harry, Ron, or someone else? If the DA continues, I would say that Harry has his bags full and wouldn't be made captain. I think it will either be Ron or someone other than those two. Your thoughts?

I have many questions, and I know how to ask them. ::Laughs::

Posted Jul 16, 2003 at 7:45 PM EST