Discussion: The 'Phoenix' files

Auror

House: Gryffindor
Points: 2303

padfoot5312 says:

Andaxia Moonstar I don't think that there is any trace of Voldemort in Ginny. He possessed her mind, brainwashing her to do what he wanted. Yes, I think she will be a great and powerful witch

Posted Jul 18, 2003 at 7:24 AM EST

Auror

House: Ravenclaw
Points: 2374

TrueBluePotterFan says:

Newt Scamander - Nice thoughts on the prophacy and the "live". I totally agree with that. I think the key word in the definition is "ordinary". The death of V will remove so much of the complexitities from Harry's life. After that, he won't have to stay at the Dursley's house anymore.

Posted Jul 18, 2003 at 7:28 AM EST

Auror

House: Ravenclaw
Points: 2374

TrueBluePotterFan says:

eudaemonia - On Prongs, Wormy, Padfoot, & Moony being in the same house or not - I think the comment about Lupin being the Prefect, not Sirius or James, would lead me to beleive that at least those three are in the same house. Otherwise, Lupin being a prefect in a different house would not have precluded James or Sirius from being a prefect.

Posted Jul 18, 2003 at 7:41 AM EST

Madam Librarian

House: Gryffindor
Points: 13160

I-Pie says:

I think the prophecy means that neither Harry or
Voldemort can have a "normal" life while either is alive.
Remember the gadget DD used after Harry saw AW attacked.
The snake came out and DD said the same but is essence
divided. I think that represented the connection between
Harry and Voldemort that can only be severed with one's
death.

Posted Jul 18, 2003 at 9:26 AM EST

Auror

House: Ravenclaw
Points: 2374

TrueBluePotterFan says:

I-Pie - Nice theory on the two snakes. I always wondered what the signifigance was of that. It was never explained additionally in OOTP. I thought DD would have at least made himself more clear, if not at that point, during the conversation he and Harry had in chapter 37. (I think that is the correct one.)

Posted Jul 18, 2003 at 9:42 AM EST

Order of Merlin, 2nd Class

House: Gryffindor
Points: 1782

Juno Puddifoot says:

I think the two characters who came out best in OotP were Neville and Ginny, they are both strong, brave and have unexpected depths.
laura I thought about Voldemort having Harry's blood /protection, but haven't really come up with anything.

Posted Jul 18, 2003 at 9:48 AM EST

Wizard

House: Slytherin
Points: 533

dimtick says:

Tatipotter: - There has been alot of discussion about the V - Hitler connection. According to the time from frame of the books, V's first reign of terror was right around the time of WWII. I think there is a definete connection but I doubt if JK will ever take it any farther.

Puddifoot: - i agree with your observation of Neville and Ginny. I think that there will no longer be just the 3 musketeers of Harry/Ron/Hermoine. There are now more poeple in the group that beleive in Harry and are ready to fight for him.

There has been alot of discussion about who will die in the next book(s). Does anyone else think Ginny is a good candidate. Her death would really crush alot of people. She never came up in Mrs. Weasleys fears with the bogart. I think the "love" interest with Harry would make Ginny's death that much more shocking.

Posted Jul 18, 2003 at 10:44 AM EST

Auror

House: Ravenclaw
Points: 2374

TrueBluePotterFan says:

dimtick - If JKR developes the relationship between Harry and Ginny, then yes, she would become a more likely candidate for kidnapping or death by V and the DE's. Based on their relationship as the end of OOTP, she does not hold near the level of importance in Harry's life as Sirius did or Ron, Hermione, Hagrid, DD, and Mrs. Weasly do. I would even put Lupin ahead of Ginny in this category. But then I may be underestimating their relationship.

Posted Jul 18, 2003 at 11:16 AM EST

Old Chortlebones

House: Hufflepuff
Points: 2601

Newt Scamander says:

Tatipotter - I somewhat see the whole Voldemort - Hitler relationship now, with the mass murderings and hatred and genocide of a group each man belonged to. However, I don't think that Voldemort would take the same route that Hitler did at the end of his life, as he himself said that there is no worse thing than death.

Back to Voldemort's immortality (except, of course, to Harry), if this theory is indeed true, and I think it is as there are many clues pointing to its truth, then Dumbledore may have some things planned up his sleeve to cause Voldemort pain worse than death. If Harry is the only one who could kill Voldemort, then there is a lot of pain others can deal to him. I would absolutely love to see Grawp step on Voldemort, flatten him like a pancake, and point and laugh at the muffled screams coming from "Tom the Flattened." Time for some hopeful storytime.

Tom the Shocked - A Death Eater points his wand at Harry and exclaims, "Avada Kedavra!" Harry leaps out of the way, causing the spell to bypass him and go straight into Voldemort's torso. Tom does not die, of course, but he does look rather shocked and immobile. This leads us to...

Tom the Spanked - Ministry funding is getting very low and Fudge needs to think of a good way to profit. "Aha!" he exclaims. "Tom the Shocked could be pinned through the neck up against a wall and we could charge people a galleon to get one spank on ol' Voldie!" An extra galleon is charged for a vile of potion to give visitors "hot hands" against the Dark Lord.

Tom the Talon'd - Tom is desperate to get as many supporters as possible in the Second War, so he goes off to the wild to search for beings which could help him greatly. He meets with the head of a group of hippogriffs he finds one day whilst walking through the wild. Unfortunately, he blinks and forgets to bow.

Tom the Smocked - Chris Ranken and pals are out smocking one day when they land upon who but Tom Riddle. I think you know the rest.

Well, that was a nice little storytime session, now wasn't it? Of course, all of those endings to this story would be quite pitiful, no matter how much pain T.M. is put through. I want to see some lovin' in there. (Get it? Harry's weapon...yeah.)

Posted Jul 18, 2003 at 11:18 AM EST

Wizard

House: Slytherin
Points: 533

dimtick says:

Tom the Vanquished - Harry toss's V into the veil and he is condemned to spend eternity tormented by his victoms. V has left the physical world and is thus "dead" but his spirit "lives" leaving it open for a future escape and more V/Harry adventures. Prophecy fulfilled and everyone lives happily ever after...

Posted Jul 18, 2003 at 11:46 AM EST

Editor of the Squibbler
(Moderator)

House: Hufflepuff
Points: 2031

eudaemonia says:

TrueBluePotterFan True. The foursome's comparison's of each other and what status or position they hold in the school could be based on their whole being in the same house... or it could be based on their whole in being in the same group (or clique, if you prefer). Before I couldn't see all 4 houses getting along and then suddenly the Sorting Hat states that all 4 founders were originally friends -- this shocked me. I thought they were just... business partners, so to speak... with the goal of making a great school. So now my mind opens to this possibility that the same friendship existed with those four as well.

Posted Jul 18, 2003 at 12:38 PM EST

Witch

House: Gryffindor
Points: 643

Hermaninny says:

Here's a random thought I just got watching the 1st movie. We know that Dumbledore said that when he looked in the Mirror of Erised he saw himself holding a pair of socks. Doesn't it seem a little more likely after OotP that he may see something along the lines of Harry with no scar and smiling? We know how much he cares for him and he even said something along the lines of "what did I care if hundreds of nameless faces died"? I found that thought extremely disturbing. What do you think?

Posted Jul 18, 2003 at 1:26 PM EST

Madam Librarian

House: Gryffindor
Points: 13160

I-Pie says:

DD in Book 5 showed that he was human. He cared for a child in the here and now and let the future take care
of itself. Earlier he says that he knew Voldemort would
return but it could have been in fifty years. If Harry
survived that long, he could have been a Grandfather and
DD long dead. But for that minute, Voldemort was not in power and Harry's happiness was paramount to him. Since
we never hear of DD's family (except his brother), Harry
is his pseudo-grandson.

Posted Jul 18, 2003 at 1:43 PM EST

Head Girl

House: Gryffindor
Points: 479

eclektic says:

eudeamonia:
i agree with you about how it seems that ron is never able to truly 'shine' whenever the three of them are together. it seems as if for most of the time, it is he who gets shunted to the side. even hermione has more importance in my opinion since she provides intellectual suggestions etc. ron's sole function on the other hand seems merely to provide comic relief in the book. (which he does very well nonetheless) i believe that when you look at any group, you will find that there is no way for every single person there to have dominant personalities for this would upset the dynamics of the relationship (i mean, everyone would just keep bickering with one another) and in this case, it is ron who backs down. i was very glad nevertheless that he had his moment of glory in the 5th book.. weasley is our king...

Posted Jul 18, 2003 at 2:52 PM EST

Wizard

House: Slytherin
Points: 533

dimtick says:

eclectic: Now that the twins are gone from Hogwarts, it does seem like Ron is finally able to step out of not only Harry's shadow but Fred & Georges as well. Ron is now the "Elder" Weasley at Hogwarts. It also seems that with the twins going into the joke business (and Percy continuing to be a Fudge-cicle) that maybe the parents will put more pressure on Ron to succeed?
Percy will definetely continue to shun the family, even though he got mud in the face for supporting Fudge, he won't see it that way. Percy only respects power, and detests everything his family represents.
As far as saving the world goes, of course Harry will continue to get all the credit, even though he has help at every step of the way.

Posted Jul 18, 2003 at 3:13 PM EST

Wizard

House: Slytherin
Points: 533

dimtick says:

of course Harry has chosen to be an auror, but what did Ron & Hermoine pick? I don't remember in the book. Maybe with the group splitting up to study different things Ron will be able to shine a little more.

Posted Jul 18, 2003 at 3:19 PM EST

Head Girl

House: Gryffindor
Points: 479

eclektic says:

dimtick:
agree with you. he does seem to always be in his brothers' shadows. no wonder his image in the mirror of erised showed him to be everything that ALL his brothers were combined i believe as well that his mother would put pressure on him. its funny because i dont remember any instance that she has. she was paticularly interested in the twins and their future but not ron. but since he is the only weasley left, he would have to be a bigger role model to ginny.

like you i dont think percy would come back willingly to his parents and apologise for being such a prat. i dun see forgiveness as one of his personality attributes. his arrogance and pompousness would never allow him to apologise for the wrong that he has done. what a git..

ron did mention that he was interested in persuiung the career path of being an auror although hermione mentioned that although this was a good job, she wanted something more. she didnt specify what exactly. unfortunately, like what u said, harry will always get the credit for the things that he does though it was not without help. but in any case, he does do more for all of it and definitely deserves it as well..

Posted Jul 18, 2003 at 3:30 PM EST

Student

House: Gryffindor
Points: 294

girliegirl says:

I think each of them has done very important things...but since Harry is the famous one "the boy who lived" everyone will always give more credit for the things he does...but sometimes people blame him, like in the last books...being Harry is not easy ...None of them (Hermione and Ron) have suffered like Harry has ... Hermione (with the mud blood thing), and Ron (with the Weasley is our king thing) have had a hard time too but never like Harry

Posted Jul 18, 2003 at 3:33 PM EST

Madam Librarian

House: Gryffindor
Points: 13160

I-Pie says:

I think Ron is more than comedy relief. JKR shows
Ron like Neville needing to build their self-confidence
through the books. Neville's Grandmother bullied him
and Ron (as the youngest boy) got bullied and teased by
his brothers. Ron is Harry and Hermione's guide to the
wizarding world. Of the three, he is the only one who grew up in a wizard family. They usually turn to Ron for explanations dealing with that life style. Also, Ron shone in Book 1 beating McGongall's chess set. Plus, how many times did he boost Harry's confidence telling him that he could do it.

Posted Jul 18, 2003 at 3:38 PM EST

Student

House: Gryffindor
Points: 294

girliegirl says:

Colonel Fubster-it bothered me at first ..I wanted to see who was going to play Harry and thought he should have used green contacts or something...but then I thought that Daniel was so cute and forgot about that, but what if the green eyes play an important part in the next book? I hope he stays playing Harry

Posted Jul 18, 2003 at 3:44 PM EST

Head Girl

House: Gryffindor
Points: 479

eclektic says:

the movies had some major mistakes. i mean, shouldnt harry's scar be on the left side of his forehead? and i also was bothered abt the blue eyes.. also, why does he always carry his wand in his left hand when he's supposed to be right handed? but i guess nothing's perfect.

Posted Jul 18, 2003 at 3:50 PM EST

Student

House: Gryffindor
Points: 294

girliegirl says:

I personally love Ron...he is always funny...I was laughing so hard (by my self in my room, lol)when Harry came back to the common room after kissing Cho and told them what happened. I think Ron is going to do something important in the next book ...I think he may get to be captain of the team

Posted Jul 18, 2003 at 3:50 PM EST

Student

House: Gryffindor
Points: 294

girliegirl says:

Eclektic- I think you are right...I think it is curious that they made these mistakes...they are very important things...we are talking about Harry "the major character" how did they left all this things out? wasn't Jk there to tell them? there are other mistakes too ...like Ron´s nose...he didn't look like I thought he would

Posted Jul 18, 2003 at 3:54 PM EST

Head Girl

House: Gryffindor
Points: 479

eclektic says:

i-pie:
i agree with you that ron does have his importance. but somehow, i feel that he's more like a faithful sidekick rather than an equal in that sense. man, i sound horrid dont i in downplaying his importance..? i just feel that he has not been given sufficient opportunities to shine even more. the quidditch in the 5th book i feel was just a starter. an appetizer of sorts to the future things that he would do to elevate his position as well as his confidence..

Posted Jul 18, 2003 at 3:56 PM EST

Head Girl

House: Gryffindor
Points: 479

eclektic says:

girliegirl:
yeah, it definitely was disturbing continually picking up the mistakes in the movies. not that a lot of people could help it; some of it were just too glaring. the only good reason that i could come up with about why they made harry left handed most of the time is because of camera angle. maybe having him hold the wand in his left is perhaps aesthetically more pleasing and worked for the cameras better.. lol. my guess only..

Posted Jul 18, 2003 at 4:00 PM EST

Student

House: Gryffindor
Points: 294

girliegirl says:

I started to notice the mistakes when I saw the movie the second time...when I first saw it, thought it was great...the baby with the scar and everything...I had been imagining how everything looked like ...and the movie didn't disapoint me...wasn't the baby the cutest thing ?...but it was so sad too

Posted Jul 18, 2003 at 4:08 PM EST