Discussion: The 'Phoenix' files

Student

House: Gryffindor
Points: 294

girliegirl says:

I started to notice the mistakes when I saw the movie the second time...when I first saw it, thought it was great...the baby with the scar and everything...I had been imagining how everything looked like ...and the movie didn't disapoint me...wasn't the baby the cutest thing ?...but it was so sad too

Posted Jul 18, 2003 at 4:08 PM EST

Prefect

House: Ravenclaw
Points: 361

LaDonna says:

O.K. To whoever suggested that Ginny may die in the next book. she cannot die (If she did J.K. would be getting a letter from me but that's beside the point) As mentioned in Ootp She's the only other student to come into direct contact Voldemort and live. I think she is going to pay a major role in his downfall, and since I sincerely doubt Voldie will die in Book 6, she has to be around for book 7.

Posted Jul 18, 2003 at 4:09 PM EST

Student

House: Gryffindor
Points: 294

girliegirl says:

LaDonna-I agree...Voldemort can't die in book six...what is book 7 going to be about then? unless someone else shows up like Voldemort's son lol...

Posted Jul 18, 2003 at 4:13 PM EST

Head Girl

House: Gryffindor
Points: 479

eclektic says:

girliegirl:
i thought that the movie was allright and at some points i felt that it did not deliver at all. hands up who thought that fawkes looked like an undernourished chicken? i did.. i felt that there were loads of stuff that should have been included. like in the 2nd movie, ginny should have been implicated more. i mean, she was the one who played a major role in the plot. but i guess its really difficult to adapt from a book because you are constrained by many things..

Posted Jul 18, 2003 at 4:19 PM EST

Wizard

House: Slytherin
Points: 533

dimtick says:

LaDonna: I don't want Ginny to die either, but you have to admit it would have a pretty major impact on everyone. I mean, talk about a wake up call for Ron.
There was a lot of discussion about deaths earlier in the week and there was kind of a concensus (as much as you'll get here) that one of the Weasleys is going to die (I think Mrs Weasley pretty much guaranteed that - forshadowing), there's just too many of them for one not to be a gonner. I know, they're more prepared and everything like Lupin said, but you can't make an omlet without breaking some eggs.
just something to ponder....

Posted Jul 18, 2003 at 4:45 PM EST

Madam Librarian

House: Gryffindor
Points: 13648

I-Pie says:

To restate the obvious, Ron and Hermione are sidekicks.
The books are about Harry Potter. His name is the
first thing in the title. If JKR wanted it to be
the Three Musketeer's, she would have titled it
Harry, Hermione and Ron.

Posted Jul 18, 2003 at 5:00 PM EST

Squib

House: Gryffindor
Points: 130

CheriK says:

Ok, I think that Harry and Ginny will be going out together in the future books. Here are my reasons:

Ginny seems to be going around alot. Could it be that she wants to get back at harry for not liking her?

True, Hermione said that Ginny used to be "in love" with Harry, but now just likes him. Now, i can dispute that. Ginny might be lying to Hermione.

1)Ginny can keep secrets well. Look at book 2 for goodness sake! Ginny could be keeping her own secrets very well.
2)Ginny can lie to people close to her. With the incedent in Book 5 about her throwing dungbombs at the OotP door, she lied straight out to her mother like it was nothing. Could she be lieing to Hermy?
3)Ginny knows how to act. Can anyone say Book 2? She could just be acting cool twards Harry.
4)Ginny wanted to act strong in front of Harry in the Dep. of Mysteries. Could she be trying to impress Harry? This can be counter-argued, as she did want to fight, still.
5)Rowling seemed to exaggerate Ginny's coolness to Harry. Maybe a little OVER exageration. After all, we know she plants alot of red herrings.

Now, on Harry's side, he does not show much inerest in Ginny just yet, but lets face it, who would really want to go out with Harry. Look at all the baggage he carries around? Ginny understands, though. Also, him and Ginny have one major thing in common: they have both been inside, or part of, Voldemort's mind.

Posted Jul 18, 2003 at 5:59 PM EST

Student

House: Gryffindor
Points: 294

girliegirl says:

Cherik- they do have a lot in common...it may happen. now that you brought up the point...what do you think about harry and luna lovehood? they have a lot in common too

Harry didnt feel bothered when she talked about Sirius
He wanted to help her find her stuff
They see and understand things that nobody does
And ...it would surprise everyone...I mean luna/harry, that's weird!

Posted Jul 18, 2003 at 6:05 PM EST

Student

House: Gryffindor
Points: 294

girliegirl says:

HarryDan: I hope Umbridge stays away from Harry...I hated the quill thing, that was too cruel! and all her new rules...

Posted Jul 18, 2003 at 6:09 PM EST

Healer for all Occasions

House: Gryffindor
Points: 3570

Madam Malkin says:

CheriK - You bring up good points. Now I have follow-ups.

-Ginny could also be dating around to get her mind off of Harry, not really to get back at him. Is she really the type to get revenge like that? I don't know.

-We could probably all say that Ginny did confide in Hermione at some time, if Hermione knows what she does. But maybe they are closer friends than we think. Maybe Ginny told Hermy the truth, and Hermione is the one keeping a secret, and lying. We all know how capable Hermione is of keeping a secret from Harry and Ron if she has to. (Book 3, and the beginning of book 5, keeping info from Harry.) I know Hermione said that Ginny was over Harry, and usually if she's hiding something, she just avoids the subject. But if Ginny and Hermione are closer than we think, I bet Hermione would tell people what Ginny wanted her to. I dunno...

-I'm skeptical of Ginny being able to keep secrets. There is only so long she can. She about cracked in book 2 and almost told Ron and Harry. I realize that was a much more serious situation, but still. And she told the trio about Percy and his girlfriend. But, with something like this, a crush, even if she did confide in Hermione she'd have to keep the secret as well, or it wouldn't matter how well Hermione can. She's probably embarassed about it, and wants people to think it is over. But I saw her blush at Harry in book 5. I don't care what she says about other guys.

-I know that Ginny is perfectly capable of lying, however. But Hermione is smart, and is a girl, and after all, she gave Harry and Ron lessons on the minds of girls. So I think she'd know how Ginny really felt. Just a hunch.

-But I absolutely agree that she is acting cool toward Harry like there is nothing there. No arguing that.

-Maybe Ginny did want to impress Harry. But at that particular time? She knew what she had to do, knew she had to fight, like you said. And if she impressed Harry in the process, so be it. hahaha. :)

-But I also completely agree that JK seemed to over-exaggerate Ginny's coolness toward Harry. She does indeed write many red-herrings. I do agree there.

-And I agree also that Harry has not shown much interest in Ginny. But it is true that Ginny can understand to some extent what he's going through.

Don't get me wrong though, I agree about Harry and Ginny. That's the couple I'd like to see. I'm just seeing a little different reasoning behind it, and some of your points that you made. We'll see....

Posted Jul 18, 2003 at 6:50 PM EST

Healer for all Occasions

House: Gryffindor
Points: 3570

Madam Malkin says:

Girliegirl - i hated Umbridge too. She's horrible. But I think we have seen the last of her horrible rules at Hogwarts. Don't know if we'll see her again, but I'm thinking her rules won't stand. She's awful.

Posted Jul 18, 2003 at 6:54 PM EST

Squib

House: Gryffindor
Points: 130

CheriK says:

And, it is my wording. At the moment I wrote that, I was at a lss for words... and the thing with Hermy, I was tinking that too, but Hermy cannot lie as well as Ginny.

Posted Jul 18, 2003 at 6:57 PM EST

Animagus

House: Gryffindor
Points: 19544

Sirius-Ella says:

Woooohooo...still going strong on ideas and theorys..by the time were done posting on book 5, book 6 will be out lol!! Colonel Fubster IT absouloulty (ms) bothered me that that Dan doesn't have green eyes and jet black MESSY lemme ephansize "Messy" untidy not un=natually straight...I think that if J.k. really wanted green eyes she probably wouldve had the put green contacts in...otherwise I don't think his eyes will be that importent...I'm guessing thats all..but I think they will be. what about you guys?

Posted Jul 18, 2003 at 6:57 PM EST

Animagus

House: Gryffindor
Points: 19544

Sirius-Ella says:

wow...alot of mess-ups in that last post..I meant untidy unnatraul hair and.....I think that if J.k. really wanted green eyes she probably wouldve had them put green contacts in

Posted Jul 18, 2003 at 6:59 PM EST

Student

House: Gryffindor
Points: 294

girliegirl says:

And what do you guys think about Luna and Harry???

Posted Jul 18, 2003 at 7:09 PM EST

Student

House: Gryffindor
Points: 294

girliegirl says:

If the green eyes are going to be important...Daniel can just put contacts on and problem solved!

Posted Jul 18, 2003 at 7:12 PM EST

Old Chortlebones

House: Hufflepuff
Points: 2601

Newt Scamander says:

Sirius-Ella - J.K. had said in an interview that it was very important that Harry had Lily's green eyes. This is emphasized whenever Lupin, Sirius, and everyone who knew James and Lily have told Harry that he looks just like James, but with his mother's eyes.

HarryDan - I agree, I'm very curious as to how the Potters inherited so much money, and what that low-paying job James decided to get because of that was. I hope we find out more about the Potters in the next book (the sooner I learn, the better, I think ::Laughs::), and just about the Order in general. How it was set up, how many people it started with, how people got in it, where it was, and everything else. (I at least think it never mentioned that the Black's house was the original headquarters, but I could be mistaken.)

Posted Jul 18, 2003 at 7:13 PM EST

Healer for all Occasions

House: Gryffindor
Points: 3570

Madam Malkin says:

CheriK - it may be true that Hermione can't lie as well as Ginny, but who knows? Maybe she can on this. The boys don't have any reason to suspect she's lying. In book 3 they did. I mean when she's in 2 places at once, of course they will wonder. But in this case, there isn't really any evidence against her, as far as Harry and Ron are concerned. And hold on (now, I'm not questioning what you said, mind you) where did Ginny lie to her mother? And where did she lie before? I mean, before she hasn't flat out lied, she's just hidden info, like Hermione did, right?

Posted Jul 18, 2003 at 7:15 PM EST

Healer for all Occasions

House: Gryffindor
Points: 3570

Madam Malkin says:

Harry's green eyes are important, as Newt Scamander said. They did it wrong in the movie, I know, but we can't dwell on the the movie, becuase, well, it isn't the book. They have done other things wrong. I'm not cirtisizing the moviemakers, but you can't think something is important or not important just from the movie. I mean, Harry's scar is off to the side instead of the center in the movie too. We know his scar is important, that's obvious. But, yeah, I also know Harry's eyes are important. How they are important I do not know.

Posted Jul 18, 2003 at 7:23 PM EST

Professor

House: Gryffindor
Points: 1106

Ima Quidditch Fan says:

hermione2006 - thanks! I think you are right... Snape changed his name because he hated his abusive father and he was either ashamed of squib uncle, or wanted to remain distant because of the name change form Lily, whom he may have liked, but didn't want others to know... not sure.. but there is a great room for debate.

I thought Snape may have called her mudblood, because he was raised with this prejudice... and wanted her to stay out of the situation.... hurting her feelings would keep her distant. I think she came to his support because he was family.

Posted Jul 18, 2003 at 8:30 PM EST

Professor

House: Gryffindor
Points: 1106

Ima Quidditch Fan says:

Bravo, bravo... Newt Scamander! Your pain to Voldie around 2176 were so fun!

I think since Tom got Hagrid expelled, he should got in on this... Hagrid rides Norbert toward Voldie, driving him toward Aragog and his family. Norbert torches him, and Aragog and his family, well, snack on him.

Posted Jul 18, 2003 at 8:42 PM EST

Order of Merlin, 2nd Class

House: Gryffindor
Points: 1783

Juno Puddifoot says:

hmmm, well I was pretty appalled to see Harry's Dad in the photos in book 2 I mean, really he was balding and had gingery hair. The eyes, well they are such a big part of the book, but maybe as I was pondering previously, what is important is that they are his mother's eyes.

HGreenbacker, thanks for that, that makes good sense too.

heheh, a Tom Snack. I think Lily would havegone to the rescue regardless of family, but I think you are right as to why he called her mudblood.

Posted Jul 18, 2003 at 8:47 PM EST

Marauder

House: Gryffindor
Points: 3954

jade says:

hello ima did you get my email i sent you some of my theorys email me backa nd tell me what you think anyway the emphasis on lilys eyes do seem important and jkr never emphasises anything unless it is important.does anybody remember any spcific refernces to any animal etc which is highly emphasised having something associated with green e.g parts of their body etc

Posted Jul 18, 2003 at 8:54 PM EST

Marauder

House: Gryffindor
Points: 3954

jade says:

About the whole daniels eyes he did try to wear cntact lenses but they hurt his eyes and made them go all swollen and irratated thats why his eyes aren't green in the film, they tried the contacts on him when they first stared filming ps

Posted Jul 18, 2003 at 9:02 PM EST

Order of Merlin, 2nd Class

House: Gryffindor
Points: 1783

Juno Puddifoot says:

Hey Jade, yeah thanks for that it bothered me too, I mean all the poster have close ups of blue eyes and everything. Was there a snake with emerald eyes in book 2? Not sure now, maybe I have to reread the series sooner than I planned.

Posted Jul 18, 2003 at 9:09 PM EST

Professor

House: Gryffindor
Points: 1106

Ima Quidditch Fan says:

jade and pudifoot... honestly, I didn't notice that Dan's eyes were blue in the movie... I thought they looked green. It wasn't until I saw the cover of the poster and the DVD that I noticed... even then it did'nt really bother me. I guess he is doing a great job, I know Harry's eyes are green and whatever.

THEORIES are incredible! You should post them.
:)

Posted Jul 18, 2003 at 9:14 PM EST