Discussion: The 'Phoenix' files

Order of Merlin, 2nd Class

House: Gryffindor
Points: 1783

Juno Puddifoot says:

Yep Ima, heheh I DID read em all book four to one right before I read OotP, I thought it might give me a different perspective or something, I fnd rereading sometimes I don't read so closely because you're starting to expect certain things to come up. But erm, it wasn't that helpful, still good though.

I was thinking JK just made Ginny grow up a little. I mean, she had to do it somehow, Harry was never going to fall for her when she was too shy to speak around him, she wasn't being herself. Now she is being herself, but she probably isn't infatuated with him (I mean infatuation is an unhealthy type of love isn't it).

Hey I have been thinking that Sirius and Snape might be related too. Particularly when Snape approaches Harry after Sirius's death when he's figuring out which curse to use on Malfoy (love that scene lol), I just pick up a different nuance about Snape although Harry will apparenlty never forgive him.

Posted Jul 18, 2003 at 11:17 PM EST

Hufflepuff Princess

House: Hufflepuff
Points: 24832

Waddi Wasi says:

Puddifoot- I liked Ginny in this book. I think Harry might blame Sirius' death on Snape or Kreacher.

Posted Jul 18, 2003 at 11:19 PM EST

Order of Merlin, 2nd Class

House: Gryffindor
Points: 1783

Juno Puddifoot says:

Yeah, I really don't know why I held that particular speculation :) Other than that comment that the wizarding families are all inter-related. waddiwasi, I missed your post. btw Sirius called Snape Malfoy's lapdog.

Posted Jul 18, 2003 at 11:29 PM EST

Muggle

House: Gryffindor
Points: 76

Rosco161 says:

Could someone please explain the Snape and Lilly relation thing. I have missed it somewhere....

Posted Jul 19, 2003 at 12:29 AM EST

Snape's Woman
(Moderator)

House: Ravenclaw
Points: 5392

Prof. Andaxia Moonstar says:

I-Pie: I agree with your assessment of the prophecy. Harry and Voldemort truly cannot live while the other survives. While Harry lives, Voldemort will always be threatened by him and will always have to devote time and energy in trying to destroy him. While Voldemort lives, Harry cannot live a completely "normal" and free life; he is always having to defend himself against that threat. Once Voldemort marked him, they became bound to each other. Once one is gone, the other is free again.

Posted Jul 19, 2003 at 12:43 AM EST

Hufflepuff Princess

House: Hufflepuff
Points: 24832

Waddi Wasi says:

Rosco161: They probably hated each other because when Lily tried to take up for Snape, he just insulted her.

Posted Jul 19, 2003 at 1:07 AM EST

Muggle

House: Gryffindor
Points: 76

Rosco161 says:

Thanks Waddi,

I have been reading how some people believe they are related and Snape changed his name from Evans. Because I do not remember anything in book five about Snape's name being Evans.... Somebody please help me on this one....

Posted Jul 19, 2003 at 1:34 AM EST

Order of Merlin, 2nd Class

House: Gryffindor
Points: 1783

Juno Puddifoot says:

Rosco 161, if you switch the letters around on Severus Snape, you get Perseus Evans. (No I never thought of that one for myself:))

Posted Jul 19, 2003 at 1:46 AM EST

Muggle

House: Gryffindor
Points: 76

Rosco161 says:

Puddifoot Thanks.....

I would have never thought of that either... Somebody has too much time or they are very smart.....ha ha
You guys and gals all have very good ideas...Keep up the good work. I do enjoy reading your post...

Posted Jul 19, 2003 at 1:58 AM EST

Order of Merlin, 2nd Class

House: Gryffindor
Points: 1783

Juno Puddifoot says:

I think Snape has a few problems with self respect. The lap dog term suggests he is servile to Lucius and the Malfoys, so I suspect (well at the moment I do) he came from a family the other 'pureblood' wizarding families consider 'lower' socially. Maybe his family were poor or servants or something. This might explain why he loathes mudbloods (or seems to in the pensieve memory), he's venting against people he can consider 'lower' than himself and proving to himself that there is someone lower on the social scale than himself. Lucius does seem to be at the top (well not he very top, but he knows all the right people) of some sort of wizard family social scale, whether that is due to wealth or heritage I'm not sure. Malfoy Snr and Jnr already have two evil henchmen (at least) apiece being Crabbe and Goyle, not sure how Snape fits in with them. This is kind of fitting in with the equality and fraternity thing JK has going.

Posted Jul 19, 2003 at 2:01 AM EST

Witch

House: Gryffindor
Points: 979

Butterbeer says:

ok so.....
i have a few things....
Thestrials-ok...dont we all rememnber book 1?? his parents died and he also saw qurriel die
Harry-so much anger, thats really ok though cause voldermeort is freaky and like got inside his head and all
cho- i hated her from the start, im happy shes out of the picture
ginny-she has a boyfriend...HOW CUTE!
theres probaly a lot more i havfge to say but im making major typos cause im falling alselep on my computer! haha!

Posted Jul 19, 2003 at 2:02 AM EST

Muggle

House: Gryffindor
Points: 76

Rosco161 says:

Butterbeer, good call on the Thestrials... I forgot Harry watched Qurriel die...

Posted Jul 19, 2003 at 2:12 AM EST

Order of Merlin, 2nd Class

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Juno Puddifoot says:

You guys must have missed a point somewhere in the past 2200 posts, now .... HOW did youmanage that??? heheh

JK said herself ina n interview that you had to comprehend the death to see the thestrals (which I keep trying to call kestrals so if I do don't be horribly confused). Soooo Harry didn't comprehend the death of his mother, I don't think he even saw the death of Quirrell because he passed out ...

Posted Jul 19, 2003 at 2:26 AM EST

Muggle

House: Gryffindor
Points: 76

Rosco161 says:

Paddifoot, maybe you are right but I remember the movie scene better at this point because I have watched it many times since I read the first book....
I agree about his parents but if he did see Quirrell die then he would have seen them his second year... I will re-read that part tonight....

Posted Jul 19, 2003 at 2:38 AM EST

Muggle

House: Gryffindor
Points: 76

Rosco161 says:

Paddifoot... You are CORRECT... Harry did not witness Quirrell die he passed out PAGE 295 Book 1.... Good memory Paddifoot.....

Posted Jul 19, 2003 at 2:44 AM EST

Hufflepuff Princess

House: Hufflepuff
Points: 24832

Waddi Wasi says:

It's a good thing he died, too. I was so happy about that.

Posted Jul 19, 2003 at 2:47 AM EST

Order of Merlin, 2nd Class

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Juno Puddifoot says:

hey Rosco 161, I think maybe I should be applying myself to something you know ... productive, but heck this is too much fun :) lol

Posted Jul 19, 2003 at 3:02 AM EST

Muggle

House: Gryffindor
Points: 76

Rosco161 says:

Paddifoot you are productive.... Please keep up the good work....LOL

Posted Jul 19, 2003 at 3:15 AM EST

Order of Merlin, 2nd Class

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Juno Puddifoot says:

Very interesting Witchy Ways thanks for that. They don't extrapolate anything from the meaning of 'live.'

Puddifoot takes a bow, *blushes,* thanks Rosco161. You got any wild ideas? Personally, I think the wilder the better, I mean there was no way I was picking Voldemort as living on the back of Quirrells head in book 1, tom riddle/lord Voldemort book 2 and by book 3, well really ...

Posted Jul 19, 2003 at 6:08 AM EST

Metamorphmagus

House: Gryffindor
Points: 37946

tonks black says:

sorry i havent posted much, i have been busy doing website things.
Puddifoot- thats interesting about Snape maybe coming from a lower class family. maybe the reason he treats draco good was because he was the malfoy's servant or something like that.
witchyways- to me living and surviving are different things. harry has been living the whole time to me cause his life is his, he doesnt have to share it. so living to me means you are free and you can do what you please without people helping you. but surviving is what voldemort is doing, he is holding on thanks to other people. so my interpretation of one living while the other doesnt survive is not surviving like voldemort was doing, which means he is dead, since hes not living. sorry if this was confusing.

Posted Jul 19, 2003 at 8:35 AM EST

Student

House: Gryffindor
Points: 247

Sattouta says:

this a reply for a late posts.sorry
Newt Scamander : your theory is beyond great,it really make sense.coz i thought about vold drink
unicorn blood ,so he can't be dead,but you theory explained everything,conglatulation,you can make your own harry potter series now ;)
Ima Quidditch Fan : your comments is really convincing, i like it,it really explain why harry alawys escape from death
and vold didn''t die when he face harry.but i have a question. in chamber of secrect .if vold manage to kill harry ,it will be his victory and he would
throw harry out of his way forever ,but instead harry manage to have him killed in somway but he still not dead,and i guess he said when he first introduce himself to harry that he was past and present and future,so if he was killed that day .he should disappear forever,but that idn't happen
any thought? may be i m wrong.
and there is another question bother me from the beguinig of this sereis, what did harry's parents do to have so much gold???
and why vold is afraid of DD??
finally here is a sitr where there is a pictures of knight bus in the upcoming movie ,they r graet http://www.thesnitch.co.uk/galleries
enjoy :)

Posted Jul 19, 2003 at 9:05 AM EST

Animagus

House: Gryffindor
Points: 19544

Sirius-Ella says:

Geeze...why does everyone want everyone related in this series? LOL...I don't think Snape is a pure blood....I think his Mom or Dad was a witch and his dad or mom was a vampire...and he is half vampire and half witch...which would explain him able to go out in sunlight and eat..normally???? anythoughts

Posted Jul 19, 2003 at 9:45 AM EST

Professor

House: Gryffindor
Points: 1106

Ima Quidditch Fan says:

SAN - very good questions... It is just my opinion, but Tom in COS was a memory preserved in time. He could become whole if he drained the life force of another, Ginny. BUT Harry stopped him and 'killed' his source of memory = the book. The original, Voldie was in Albania or somewhere at the time... THAT would have been wierd if they had met each other!

Posted Jul 19, 2003 at 9:51 AM EST

Muggle

House: Gryffindor
Points: 32

Nymphadora says:

to Sirius-Ella: I completely agree with you.
to San: the gold question has indeed crossed my mind, afterall james and lily were so young when they died...
And last: du reckon we might know anything about james' family? Is it possible that harry is really alone in the world (no cousins, no distant relatives...) Just the dursleys? Another great responsability for harry, to keep the potter name alive. (i wish i could ban these questions and just relax and enjoy the series, but who can blame me?

Posted Jul 19, 2003 at 9:58 AM EST

Professor

House: Gryffindor
Points: 1106

Ima Quidditch Fan says:

Sirius-Ella - I think you are on to something... I think his dad was a wizard, and a brother to Lily's dad. I think they are in the Slytherin lineage. Snape's dad was clearly a brut... maybe the dad had an added prejudice in that the mom was a vampire. I wonder if she was before he married her, or after. I always found it curious that Seamus's mother told his dad about being a witch AFTER they were married.... apparently, Voldies mom did the same, and it didn't go as she had hoped...

Posted Jul 19, 2003 at 10:35 AM EST

Professor

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Points: 1106

Ima Quidditch Fan says:

Puddifoot - Awesome catch on the class issue of wizards! Since Sirius and James became friends, were do you think the Potters were?

Posted Jul 19, 2003 at 10:41 AM EST