Discussion: The 'Phoenix' files

Old Chortlebones

House: Hufflepuff
Points: 2601

Newt Scamander says:

Ima Quidditch Fan - I would be surprised if they modified just any old Muggle parents of wizards/witches. They probably make sure that no parents go off bragging about their child being part of the magic world to others, or parents who reveal facts to the public, but ones who can keep it secret probably aren't bothered with at all. If you'll remember, the Evans parents were "so glad to have a witch in the family," and I believe that they were a 100% Muggle family.

Posted Jul 19, 2003 at 9:02 PM EST

Professor

House: Gryffindor
Points: 1106

Ima Quidditch Fan says:

Newt Scamander - in the Ultimate Guide, they had a theory that Lupin and James Potter did a Switching spell for added security, and now Lupin is dead and James is stuck in his body transformations and all. They had several points about how Lupin acted odd around Harry, more like a father pretending not to be a father... one such slip was we he explained in the Shreiking Shake "now we all could transform" speaking of James, Sirius and Peter... There were several times when JKR had Lupin physical reaction to Harry's hearing Lily be more than a friend, etc.

After reading OOP I began to doubt the theory, but after re-reading it, I am again a believer that it is possible... If Lupin is James in hiding he couldn't have taken Harry... it is the blood of Lily, that was shed to save his life, that protects Harry. Also, IF he told Harry, clearly, Harry would want to be with him and not Petunia... he MUST think like a father to protect Harry and do what is best for him, not what his heart wants.

Posted Jul 19, 2003 at 9:06 PM EST

Professor

House: Gryffindor
Points: 1106

Ima Quidditch Fan says:

HGreenbacker8705 - a very possible scenario.. I bet it involved James. Petunia really does not like him and considers him a lay-about.

Posted Jul 19, 2003 at 9:08 PM EST

Wizard

House: Ravenclaw
Points: 771

Dragan Glas says:

HGreenbacker
Oops! Aplogies! I should have addressed my last post to Ima Quidditch Fan

So, Ima, what's this about Remus and James?

Posted Jul 19, 2003 at 9:09 PM EST

Old Chortlebones

House: Hufflepuff
Points: 2601

Newt Scamander says:

Ima Quidditch Fan - Thanks for the post, my main doubt about that theory was that James had only transformed into his body, and he wouldn't gain the werewolf sickness, but if it were a full "switching spell" and not a transformation, then it could be possible. The explanations including that the Evans blood wouldn't protect Harry when he was living with James fit in perfectly with it, so I think that the fifth book furthers this theory.

And I'm not sure if Rowling meant we'd never see James living or if she meant that James would never live again.

Posted Jul 19, 2003 at 9:17 PM EST

Squib

House: Gryffindor
Points: 166

SueB says:

Dragan Glas -

As I do not speak French, I won't say definitively that your definition is right or wrong. I think, actually, that it is more likely Theft of Death (I was definately mistaken on mort).

Here are the two Larousse's French English dictionary has for "Vol"

the first definition:

vol [vol] m, theft, robbery, thieving, stealing; vol a tire, pickpocketing; vol a l'etalange, shoplifting.
In this definition, the o is pronouced like pool

the second definition:

vol [vol] m, flying, soaring, flight, flock, covey, [iseaux]; spread [ailes]; au vol, on the wing; vue a vol d'oisau, bird's eye view.
In this definition, the o is pronouced like boss

So. Flight of Death or Theft of Death. Both are interesting angles.

SueB

Posted Jul 19, 2003 at 9:21 PM EST

Professor

House: Gryffindor
Points: 1106

Ima Quidditch Fan says:

Dragan Glas - theory posted two above your last. :)

HGreenbacker8705 - yes, I think that the occupations of Lily and James must be a part of the three time defy part of the prophecy... what did they do?


Newt Scamander - thanks for your feedback... I really want to believe this theory, but wow! it is really out there.

Similar to this one...
I wonder who built the shack for Lupin. Surely DD couldn't have done it alone. DO you think the Order has been around since he defeated the first dark wizard?

Posted Jul 19, 2003 at 9:25 PM EST

Squib

House: Gryffindor
Points: 166

SueB says:

On Harry's fate in Book 7 --

It occurred to me the other day that JKR has said she intends to tell what happens to everyone at the end. Although she certiainly has other options, the ENTIRE book is written from Harry's perspective. How do we know the ending after he dies? Okay, it could be some "beyond the grave" accounting but really, doesn't it seem practical that the book needs Harry alive to have a final chapter?

Just a random thought...

SueB

Posted Jul 19, 2003 at 9:25 PM EST

Order of Merlin, 2nd Class

House: Gryffindor
Points: 1782

Juno Puddifoot says:

Hey there!
I would love for the Remus/James switch. Thats a good point Ima, I was inclined to not believe it because of JK saying we would never see a live James or Lily, but true, it would be Lupin. I was inclined not to believe it again (please ignore poor sentence structure LOL) reading OotP because of the way Lupin (I think?) asked if James was playing with the snitch/ or playing with his hair, one or the other. But it could still fit. I remember from book 3 Lupin would become visibly paler or some such when James and Lily were mentioned, and that first scene in the train carriage never did really add up:)

Thanks for the Grindelwald point. Place hey. I don't think that one's going anywhere :)

Good point HGreenbacker and Ima re the obliviator. Maybe:)

Posted Jul 19, 2003 at 9:25 PM EST

Professor

House: Gryffindor
Points: 1106

Ima Quidditch Fan says:

SueB - stealing death. I like it. I am certain that there was a big dicussion on this waaaaay back. It may have been your thread, but they had some great ideas about the name...

I am still curious about the Black family motto:
Toujours Pur

As I said earlier, I thought at first it was Always Pure... but after looking it up in French to English dictionary... it said PUR meant alone or solitary...

Everlasting solitude?

Any ideas?

Posted Jul 19, 2003 at 9:29 PM EST

Order of Merlin, 2nd Class

House: Gryffindor
Points: 1782

Juno Puddifoot says:

Sue B, excellent point, I definitely have to keep that in mind.
As far as who ends up teaching at Hogwarts, I think its Neville teaching herbology, although I would love Harry to be teaching DADA.

Posted Jul 19, 2003 at 9:33 PM EST

Professor

House: Gryffindor
Points: 1106

Ima Quidditch Fan says:

I have worried about Harry dying and begged anyone to say anything to make me doubt it and you, SueB have finally done it! Thank you very much! An excellent point... although, he could be a ghost.. noooo... good point!

Posted Jul 19, 2003 at 9:34 PM EST

Old Chortlebones

House: Hufflepuff
Points: 2601

Newt Scamander says:

Ima Quidditch Fan - On Babel Fish (I suppose this isn't "spam" as it's obvious that I don't run AltaVista - babelfish.altavista.com), it translated to "always pure" as well. That translation makes perfect sense, as it's obvious that Sirius was the only Black who wasn't, in a sense, a "wizarding bigot." Maybe part of the reason that the Black family was ashamed of Sirius was because he not only befriended James, who married a Muggle-born (and may not have been pureblooded himself, I don't know), but he was the godfather of a halfblood. This may have raised the whole hatred of Sirius within the Black family, as, because of that motto, they'd be ashamed that we was a part of it to be "related" to a half blood. (I know that a godfather isn't related by blood, but it is in a sense an official relation.)

Posted Jul 19, 2003 at 9:35 PM EST

Professor

House: Gryffindor
Points: 1106

Ima Quidditch Fan says:

I think Neville will teach herbology too. AND when Hagrid dies, as I am certain he will, I would like Charlie Weasley to take that spot.

Posted Jul 19, 2003 at 9:37 PM EST

Presy Twt says:

SueB- that makes me feel a lot better, knowing that there's actually hope that Harry won't die. As long as the trio and the entire Weasley family stay alive till the end, I really don't care who dies in the end...okay, and maybe one or two other people.

Posted Jul 19, 2003 at 9:42 PM EST

Order of Merlin, 2nd Class

House: Gryffindor
Points: 1782

Juno Puddifoot says:

Just a quick point, then sadly I have to actually go out:(
I think Newt Scamander's post reminded of it. Mrs Black screams insults of ... well what, half-breeds, freaks and mutants and mudbloods. I thought perhaps Tonks or Lupin might be considered a mutant, but who is the freak... Harry? O it was only a quick thought.

Well, seeing as JK speaks French its quite possibly using a double entendre. I like both toujours pur and vold de mort as having 2 connotations/translations.

I look forwrad to LOTS more posts on my return.

Posted Jul 19, 2003 at 9:43 PM EST

Old Chortlebones

House: Hufflepuff
Points: 2601

Newt Scamander says:

Ima Quidditch Fan - I'm not sure if Hagrid will die. He'd be a perfect target to continue getting at Harry's emotions for Voldemort, but imagine if, the man no one trusts because he was expelled from Hogwarts, became the second person to ever deflect the Avada Kedavra curse (Giant blood, you know). Anyway, if he does die, Charlie Weasley is a good candidate.

Also, Ima - I don't think that Harry will come back as a ghost. He's probably too interested in seeing what's past the Veil and getting to his parents and Sirius to even consider becoming a ghost. If he were to die, it would lead him into the life he always wanted...kinda. Still, if I had to predict whether Harry would die anyway, I'd say that he has an 85% chance to live. But that's just me.

Puddifoot - I can see Harry getting the Defense Against the Dark Arts job. It would be the perfect slap in Snape's face for the son of the person who he had such a huge grudge on that the grudge went onto that son to get that job, however poorly worded this sentence is.

And, speaking of Sirius being Harry's godfather, I wonder if Harry ever got appointed a godmother, and if so, I wonder if she's alive. Maybe it's Professor McGonagall. After all, it appears that someone related to her was on James's Quidditch team at Hogwarts (well, I know that movie shows a McGonagall...does it say anything in the book?), so James might have had a relationship with the McGonagall family. Maybe it's the McGonagall who was on the team, if that McGonagall was a woman. Maybe I've used the word 'McGonagall' in this paragraph more than I've ever used the word 'McGonagall' in a paragraph before.

Maybe I'm just ending my paragraphs with too many unrelated sentences and phrases.

Come to think of it, my comments, too. Oh, look, I've done it again!

Posted Jul 19, 2003 at 9:45 PM EST

Professor

House: Gryffindor
Points: 1106

Ima Quidditch Fan says:

Newt, that would explain Mc's zealous interest in Gryyfindor Quidditch. I mean it is one thing to enjoy the game and support it, BUT she seems obsessive.

Posted Jul 19, 2003 at 9:57 PM EST

Professor

House: Gryffindor
Points: 1106

Ima Quidditch Fan says:

Also, Newt, I really think that Lily's dad is a squib... maybe even Molly Weasley's accountant cousin that they never talk about.

AND I will go further, I believe that Snape is her first cousin... son of a wizard, uncle's a squib.

Posted Jul 19, 2003 at 10:01 PM EST

Old Chortlebones

House: Hufflepuff
Points: 2601

Newt Scamander says:

Ima Quidditch Fan - Yes, McGonagall does seem a bit obsessive when it comes to the Gryffindor Quidditch team. Also, she does seem a bit giving when it comes to Harry. She didn't expel him for flying, then she bought him a broomstick, and later she only wants to give him detention for flying a car (which was illegal in the first place) into a tree onto school grounds, and also for tackling Draco Malfoy and beating the bloody pulp out of him.

Maybe I'm taking this a bit far and she just wants the Quidditch team to be successful, and the car thing was one of those "Oh, it's Harry Potter" let-offs. But...maybe not?

Keep more questions and theories coming, I want to make prefect tonight :) (Erm...not that it matters, of course...)

Posted Jul 19, 2003 at 10:08 PM EST

Professor

House: Gryffindor
Points: 1106

Ima Quidditch Fan says:

Oh, and about Hagrid dying... I felt uncomfortable the way he and Harry left off. I worry that Harry may learn the lesson of always end on a happy note, because you may never see that person again.

Even though he has protective giants blood, he can still be killed... look at the injuries from Grawp.. Oh, I hope Voldie doesn't use Grawp's weak mind to kill Hagrid.

BUT I do completely believe that Voldie will regroup and strike hard... at those Harry loves.

Harry loves Hagrid and has come to lean on him. He will go... I worry for the Weasleys.. Molly especially. I think Arthur will survive to become Minister, so he's safe.

By the way, does ANYone else think Tonks has a crush on Bill? She is clumsy, BUT so much more around him!

Posted Jul 19, 2003 at 10:08 PM EST

Professor

House: Gryffindor
Points: 1106

Ima Quidditch Fan says:

OK, about the maker of the snitch and Harry's parents home. Your thoughts?

Newt, you remind me more of one of the twins...
You are SO funny.

Posted Jul 19, 2003 at 10:15 PM EST

Old Chortlebones

House: Hufflepuff
Points: 2601

Newt Scamander says:

Ima Quidditch Fan - I'd love to see Arthur Weasley become the Minister of Magic! Wouldn't that just bust Lucius Malfoy's (and his son's) chaps?

I don't think that Voldemort would be able to make Grawp kill Hagrid. He may have the "clumsiness" of giants, but my mind really changed about him the day he went looking for Hagrid in the Forbidden Forest. Grawp has obviously gained the love for Hagrid that Hagrid always wanted him to have. I think that Grawp will act well as a weapon for the Order. I know that Giants can't always deflect everything, but if Hagrid could escape all those Stunning Spells, Grawp might be able to get some hits on plenty of Death Eaters before we see the end of him.

I think that both Hagrid and Grawp will die. I don't know why, but I do. ::Twiddles thumbs::

Posted Jul 19, 2003 at 10:17 PM EST

Professor

House: Gryffindor
Points: 1106

Ima Quidditch Fan says:

Bowman Wright of Godric's Hollow invented the snitch that we know today after the bird went into protected reserves.

I wonder if Harry will ever see a live one...

Who can live in Godric's Hollow? Where is it? Will we get to visit it? Is it live the housing developments we know today... themed, similar, OR is it a little village? Is it named after Godric Gryffindor? Can only his relatives live there? Will Harry get to live there?
If it is a village, are there shops there like Hogsmead... I guess it is not all magical, because only Hogsmeag is...


Where do the Malfoy's live?

Posted Jul 19, 2003 at 10:22 PM EST

Old Chortlebones

House: Hufflepuff
Points: 2601

Newt Scamander says:

[Unless someone posts during the time that I write this post, forgive me for the double-post, but I didn't see that last message before I made my previous post.]

Ima Quidditch Fan - I've just struck gold on an idea, but someone else will have to do the research for me. I have my Fantastic Beasts and Where to Find Them book right beside me, but I looked and I can't find Quidditch Throughout the Ages. Also, I've let someone borrow my fifth book. So, anyway...my idea. If someone could look up both the name of the metal charmer who made the first Snitch in Godric's Hollow and look at the family tree in the Black home, if the Potters are indeed Pureblood, maybe we can find a match of names between the inventor and the tree (if the inventor was even Pureblood). Of course, then we'll just have to guess on the Potters being purebloods, but it's a start.

Posted Jul 19, 2003 at 10:25 PM EST

Professor

House: Gryffindor
Points: 1106

Ima Quidditch Fan says:

Page 14 of Quidditch through the ages says that Wright was a successful metal charmer, and he had many rolls of parchemtn he left behind on his death listing orders he recieved. (NOTE: It is NOW in the possission of a private collector.) WHO IS THE COLLECTOR? Is this the source of gold... is this also the lay-about job, making snitches that James had?

Posted Jul 19, 2003 at 10:27 PM EST