Discussion: The 'Phoenix' files

Professor

House: Gryffindor
Points: 1106

Ima Quidditch Fan says:

Krazy - I totally agree that Mr. Weasley will be the Minister... you are right about Ron joking... when he does it happens.

Posted Jul 20, 2003 at 3:49 PM EST

Old Chortlebones

House: Hufflepuff
Points: 2601

Newt Scamander says:

Ima Quidditch Fan - What with last night's discussion on Professor McGonagall's crazy obsession over Quidditch, I can only presume that it might be possible that it's her. I doubt it, but we have to think about all we talked about last night, et cetera. It could also have belonged to the Potters, who knows? I don't know when that book was supposed to have been written, corresponding with the plot. (Mid-80's and below, and it could be the Potters.)

On a less important, but more riveting note...I am officially a Prefect! There are so many people I want to thank...my mom, for buying the first two Harry Potter books for me (those happen to be my only paperback ones, though...sigh), my dad, for his constant pressure on me to finish reading as quickly as possible and mow the lawn...my sister, for having a brief discussion with me in the car about it one time...and J.K. Rowling, for, if not for her, I might not be here. Okay, who am I kidding, I wouldn't be here. ::Laughs::

Posted Jul 20, 2003 at 3:52 PM EST

Marauder

House: Gryffindor
Points: 3954

jade says:

hello ima, i osted a message for you at the top of the page.brillant about alice longbottom as i said above it makes my theory i was discussing with mad eye come together.thankyou so much :) hope you got your new comp.

Posted Jul 20, 2003 at 3:54 PM EST

Professor

House: Gryffindor
Points: 1106

Ima Quidditch Fan says:

Harry has never really explored the vault... just opened the door and taken out a handful of coins. I wonder if Bowman's notes are in there, or a letter from his parents or any clue to his past.

He should go look around. There may be other things like his invisability cloak in there that he hasn't seen standing in the doorway.

Also, how did DD get the vault key? The cloak, and the power of attorney if you will over Harry?

Posted Jul 20, 2003 at 3:55 PM EST

Old Chortlebones

House: Hufflepuff
Points: 2601

Newt Scamander says:

Tatipotter - Thanks for clearing that up for me.

Well, now we know that Bowman Wright couldn't have been in direct contact with Godric Gryffindor, and his home couldn't have been personally designated for him by Godric Gryffindor. But don't panic, anyone! There is still hope that the Wrights and the Potters are related to Gryffindor. ::Laughs::

Posted Jul 20, 2003 at 3:56 PM EST

Professor

House: Gryffindor
Points: 1106

Ima Quidditch Fan says:

Professor McGonnagal? Perhaps, she is the head of Gryffindor and as we discussed is very into Quidditch... she could be the heir to Bowman Wright's fortune. :)

jade - nothing new, at this time.. please post, I am dying to hear it!!!

Newt Scmander, you did it!!! Way to go, PATS VIRTUAL NEWT'S BACK, you should really be in Gryffindor!

Posted Jul 20, 2003 at 4:00 PM EST

Old Chortlebones

House: Hufflepuff
Points: 2601

Newt Scamander says:

Ima Quidditch Fan - I thought that Dumbledore told Harry that James had left the cloak to Dumbledore, and I presumed then that it wasn't in Harry's safe. If James did leave it with Dumbledore, this goes back to: what in heavens was the relationship like between the Potters and Albus Dumbledore? Obviously, they were admitted into the Order (and at a slightly younger age than I presume a good amount of them to have been), and if James did leave his cloak to Dumbledore, why? He obviously trusted Sirius and Peter enough that he thought that he wasn't about to be killed. Maybe when he went into hiding, he figured that the Order could put the cloak to better use, as he was, after all, under the Fidelius Charm.

Posted Jul 20, 2003 at 4:00 PM EST

Marauder

House: Gryffindor
Points: 3954

jade says:

ima maybe he just appointed himself i mean it would have been sisrius but he was in azkaban and i doubt if anyone would argue with dumbledore.

Posted Jul 20, 2003 at 4:01 PM EST

Head Girl

House: Gryffindor
Points: 479

eclektic says:

Ima Quidditch Fan :
i think the potters must have left dumblemore to be in charge of their assets and possessions so that he would then return them to harry when he is of age or something..

Posted Jul 20, 2003 at 4:01 PM EST

Professor

House: Gryffindor
Points: 1106

Ima Quidditch Fan says:

Surely, they are all related! *sarcastic grin*
Do I need to draw another proposed geneology chart?

Maybe, Bowman was related to Ravenclaw... it was a clever little invention, and he was invited to live in the hollow.

What is a hollow anyway?

Posted Jul 20, 2003 at 4:03 PM EST

Old Chortlebones

House: Hufflepuff
Points: 2601

Newt Scamander says:

Eclektic - I agree that the Potters might have had Dumbledore's name in their will. However, not even Voldemort expected to not kill Harry. The Potters, I presume, were under the impression that they'd all die or all survive, but be lonely for a long time. So I don't know if they left the possessions to Dumbledore to give to Harry so much as they just left their possessions to Dumbledore, who figured that he had all he needed (I mean, he desires a pair of socks, for crying out loud) and that Harry would need something in the wizarding world.

Ima Quidditch Fan - Thanks for the congratulations. But no, I'm too loyal and unafraid of toil to be anywhere but Hufflepuff. ::Chuckles::

Posted Jul 20, 2003 at 4:05 PM EST

Marauder

House: Gryffindor
Points: 3954

jade says:

eclectic i think your wrong i think they would have appointed sisrius to have the power of attorney buit since he got in azkaban dumbledore took it upon himself to arrange everything and nobody would disagrre

Posted Jul 20, 2003 at 4:06 PM EST

Professor

House: Gryffindor
Points: 1106

Ima Quidditch Fan says:

You hard worker you... what is the deal about the socks??
Are his feet always cold, does he have staff, do his shoes hurt? Someone please give the man, umm, wizard some socks. You know, Dobby has the same hang up. What is it all about?

Doesn't the military feel the same way -- keep your socks dry?

*can't breath, laughing hysterically*

Posted Jul 20, 2003 at 4:11 PM EST

Marauder

House: Gryffindor
Points: 3954

jade says:

okay ima just for you thankyou again for making this theory flourish im sure mad eye shall appreciate it as well :)
Alice regains her memory reveals it to harry eventully and begins slowly working for the order again, then voldy or one of the de maybe bellatrix trys to hurt hasrry she jumps in the way and trys to defend him but then in turn neville jumps in front to try and save his mother thus dying. I know its horrible but i think jkr might do that to show that there is no waay the prophecy has anything to do with neville.Then alice goes and kills bellatrix horribl;y subjectting her to cruciatus curse a couple of times then avada kedarvas her(wishful thinking) and neville gets a heros send off.
my first theory i discussed with mad eye still had neville dying in place of his mother but i just had not worked out why alice would try to save harry and your god mother theory cements it.

Posted Jul 20, 2003 at 4:13 PM EST

Old Chortlebones

House: Hufflepuff
Points: 2601

Newt Scamander says:

Ima Quidditch Fan - Maybe he was related to Ravenclaw, who knows? Speaking of people related to people other than Gryffindor and Slytherin, I wonder if anyone else made anything that only their heir could access. I imagine it as a kind of game show.

First, the Heir of Slytherin, this is your prize! You get to open a Chamber in a women's lavotory, thus exposing a hideous beast who will vanquish those filthy, stinking, rotten Mudbloods, and after that, maybe some of those nancy half-bloods.

To the Heir of Gryffindor, you get to open a hole in the middle of the entrance hall, underneath which is a Lion's Pit! You can nag the lion to get on outta there, but when he gets there, he realizes that he's pretty accepting, and doesn't worry about getting rid of anyone. He'll most likely just sit in the Entrance Hall and roar at passerbys.

To the Heir of Ravenclaw, you can open a secret Library, hidden in the depths of the Cafeteria! The books in this Library of Things That Aren't Very Secretive will educate those who thirst for it, and insult ignorant, toffy-faced slugs, thus making them cry and leave Hogwarts.

And finnaly, to the Heir of Hufflepuff, you can unleash incredible toil upon the whole school! Those who are afraid of toil will do terribly and most likely wet themselves before being dismissed from Hogwarts. Naturally, this leaves only Hufflepuffs, as they are the only ones whose Sorting Hat description includes the phrase "unafraid of toil."

Posted Jul 20, 2003 at 4:14 PM EST

Head Girl

House: Gryffindor
Points: 479

eclektic says:

Newt Scamander and jade:
you both brought up good points. well we wont really know for sure unless jkr tells us about it. i think its not such a important detail though what with the many unanawered questions that still need attendance to.. when will the book be out?!

Posted Jul 20, 2003 at 4:14 PM EST

Old Chortlebones

House: Hufflepuff
Points: 2601

Newt Scamander says:

Ima Quidditch Fan - Dumbledore told Harry in Book 1 that when he looked into the Mirror of Erised, he saw himself holding a pair of socks. I am, at this point, still unsure if his socks were dry. ::Chuckles::

Posted Jul 20, 2003 at 4:17 PM EST

Professor

House: Gryffindor
Points: 1106

Ima Quidditch Fan says:

jade - very interesting and it does go well with Alice as godmother. Post more!

I think Neville will live for some strange reason, but I do think that Alice will recover.... probably from the plant.

Also, let me share a theory... you know that I think Snape is anagram for Perseus Evans? Perseus, in mythology kills medusa (snake head). Medusa's described as a woman that was at one time very beautiful... but clearly, not so much now. :) It jumped out at me when Harry described Bellatrix the same way. I think Bellatrix is the equivalent to Medusa in mythology and it fits that Snape (Perseus) would kill her. Your thoughts?

Posted Jul 20, 2003 at 4:20 PM EST

Lycanthropist for W.S.S.

House: Gryffindor
Points: 3603

Alchemist 530 says:

LOL- Newt, that was really hilarious- I completely admire Hufflepuffs, the whole toil thing... Just because I'm a lazy Gryffindor, has anyone here posted a theory about the plant that Neville had? I've been scanning, and can't find more than a comment or two.

Posted Jul 20, 2003 at 4:22 PM EST

Head Girl

House: Gryffindor
Points: 479

eclektic says:

i think that dumbledore was joking with harry about the socks thing in the mirros of erised. like what harry said later, the image is personal to the person himself asking anyone what their image is seems like an intrusion of their privacy. dumbledore probably just jesting, him being the whimsical person that he is. i mean, he is the one who said nitwit oddment and twaek at the start of the trm feast.. so i wouldnt put it past him if the socks thing was a joke..

Posted Jul 20, 2003 at 4:22 PM EST

Old Chortlebones

House: Hufflepuff
Points: 2601

Newt Scamander says:

Ima Quidditch Fan - Good call on the Perseus-Medusa shindig. It sounds very interesting, and will not only fit the anagram-description relationship, but would be a good way for J.K. to show not only the trio but the readers that Snape is on our side and is only holding a grudge against Harry because of James.

Posted Jul 20, 2003 at 4:23 PM EST

Marauder

House: Gryffindor
Points: 3954

jade says:

could be very true a waay to prove once and for all he is loyal to hogwarts a theory has just come to me ima your brillant.wow thank you thankyou thankyou ima you are fantastic if only mad eye were here :(

Posted Jul 20, 2003 at 4:25 PM EST

Professor

House: Gryffindor
Points: 1106

Ima Quidditch Fan says:

Taking door number 2, Newt... *snort, tears rolling down cheek*

Do you think it is 'possible' that the socks references are to freeing those beings not equal to wizards?

Since much of the book it about the inequality of those 'serving' if DD wants socks, maybe HE wants to be free? Free from being the greatest wizard, free from everyone looking to him. Free to die (rest)...

I think DD will die, so that Harry can be *the* leader.

Posted Jul 20, 2003 at 4:25 PM EST

Lycanthropist for W.S.S.

House: Gryffindor
Points: 3603

Alchemist 530 says:

Ima Quidditch Fan- thats a really creepy coincidence, if it is a coincidence- I really think that Snape is seriously going to be a huge player in the War- if the Death Eaters ever found out... *shudders* But what would the thing be specifically with Bellatrix? Would it be another guilt thing like with James- ya know, he might've contributed to Sirius' death, now he feels obligated to avenge it so he can go on "hating his memory in peace"? Any ideas?

Posted Jul 20, 2003 at 4:27 PM EST

Old Chortlebones

House: Hufflepuff
Points: 2601

Newt Scamander says:

Ima Quidditch - Very farfetched point. Of course, in the case of Harry Potter, it is also thus deemed a very possible and good point. ::Laughs:: I too think that Dumbledore will die, and Harry will become the one true leader of the Order. To show Dumbledore's greatness and lasting effect, though, if this happens, I will theorize that Dumbledore's Army will win that final battle along with Harry.

Posted Jul 20, 2003 at 4:29 PM EST

Head Girl

House: Gryffindor
Points: 479

eclektic says:

i think that dumbledore should go to.. (although his death would make me cry buckets..) harry needs to learn to face up to his own destiny and dumbledore seems to stand in that way of that. he has had a lot of help from him and i think that by not having dumbledore will be truly become his 'own' person..

Posted Jul 20, 2003 at 4:30 PM EST