Discussion: The 'Phoenix' files

cfsdimples says:

Littlewonder17 and jade lyra... you probably aren't reading this, but i'll post anyway:

You were confused about how Harry and Hermione got thier wands back. It wasn't an oversight by JKR- she explains that Ron gave both Harry and Hermione their wands back when he comes outside with the others. Umbridge took thier wands in her office and left them there.

To the people at HPANA... can you make it possible to reply to individual posts? Or possibly have links to screen names?

Posted Jun 27, 2003 at 9:58 PM EST

s t a c e says:

I really enjoyed the book! I was in line at my walmarts waiting for it, and I was the first one there to get my book! It took me 4 days to read it, and I loved the whole book! Expect the Umbridge woman, she was super evil.

Posted Jun 28, 2003 at 7:06 PM EST

Witch

House: Hufflepuff
Points: 609

Aravis says:

Okay, I thought of something last night. Remember that the one thing that kept Voldie from killing baby Harry was the magic of his mother's love. Also remember in CoS, Harry's touch dissolved Quirell, again from the magic of his mother's love which had put an "invisible mark" or something like that as DD said, on Harry. The key here is LOVE and/or sacrifice for the sake of love, which Voldie doesn't understand. So, my idea is that in the end, Harry tries to sacrifice himself to save another person's life, Voldie tries to kill Harry, but the magic of the love and sacrifice Harry made protects him...and the magic backfires on Voldie. Since it was Harry's love (not another's for Harry, as in baby Harry example) and sacrifice this rebound kills Voldie completely (and not just leaving him w/o a body as when he tried to kill baby Harry). And that, girls and boys, is my very latest wild theory :-)

Posted Jun 28, 2003 at 7:22 PM EST

Prefect

House: Gryffindor
Points: 378

wangoballwime says:

wotcher: (i wondered about this too, as i'm from canada, but i looked this up on a "british slang" site)

"...wotcha! Exclam. A greeting. A shortening of what cheer! Also spelt wotcher. [Mainly London use] wow Verb. To impress or excite"..it's amazing what the internet can do!

question: did anyone notice that Harry HAD the marauder's map in OotP, but at the end of GoF, if i'm not mistaken, Moody/Crouch jr. had it. How did he get it?

Posted Jun 28, 2003 at 7:53 PM EST

Wizard

House: Ravenclaw
Points: 993

Muggle Wizard says:

Aravis, I think you're probably on the right track. This whole love thing is a big deal. And, I think we have only a few good examples in the books, and it has been left to us, the readers, to find them. I'm not talking about half-hearted love here. I'm talking about the real thing -- genuine love. If you're going to make a sacrifice for love's sake, you have to have that real love. So why is it that the examples of real love are buried in the books? Probably to keep us guessing, I suppose...

I would hate to see it happen but I can see it happening that we lose several characters in Book 6 just so that Harry can survive and somehow figure out what he's supposed to do to get rid of Voldemort. (Now whether Harry survives is still a different question.) Another important question will be how Harry would respond to losing several people who are close to him.

wangoballwime -- thanks for the explanation of "wotcher" -- makes sense.

Thoughts?

Posted Jun 28, 2003 at 8:50 PM EST

Chief Quibbler Editor

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Points: 2926

The Obsesser says:

What is this thing about Mark Evans that everyone keeps going on about?? i missed it somewhere in the 437 messages there are now...

and about that love for a woman weakens a man thing, it was from I AM MORGAN LE FAY, which, for any of you who know Camelot, is a recent YA book that is an add-on by Nancy Springer. it's really good, and tells the true story behind the supposed "villans" of Camelot

Posted Jun 28, 2003 at 10:44 PM EST

Prefect

House: Gryffindor
Points: 378

wangoballwime says:

Dudley was beating up a 10 year old kid called Mark Evans and some people are theorizing that cuz his last name is evans, he could be related to Harry, like a cousin (cuz his mother's maiden name was Evans)..but i don't think that's true.

Posted Jun 28, 2003 at 11:08 PM EST

Wizard

House: Ravenclaw
Points: 993

Muggle Wizard says:

owlpost -- There are a few candidates for Book 7's Head Boy and Head Girl. For Head Boy we have Ernie, Ron, and Harry. I agree with you that it probably won't be Ron unless he develops quite a bit in 6. For Head Girl we have Hermione (of course) but what do you all think of Hannah Abbott? She was also being mentioned a little more often in Book 5.

As far as a ``recharacterization'' of Hufflepuffs... I sort of wondered about that, too. I've always thought of myself as being on the border between Ravenclaw and Hufflepuff as they were described in Book 1. I kind of wonder why Hufflepuff is the ``default House''. Is the implication here that anyone who is not smart, brave, or a pureblood will be inherently true and loyal and unafraid of toil??

Sarey -- All Book 4 says is that when wands share the same core that the wands will not necessarily work properly against each other. If you can predict how the wands will work (hard to do, but maybe it's possible), you may still be able to get the desired effect. Then there's the bit about what happens if you try to force the spells you actually cast, resulting in Priori Incantatum.

There are, of course, ways around this. Either Harry or Voldemort or both could try to use a different wand (hard to do since the wand picks the wizard, and especially since all of the other wands Harry tried caused so much trouble), OR someone else is going to have to duel Voldemort. This goes back to the whole sacrifice concept, too. Perhaps Harry, dying out of sacrificial love, may still defeat Voldemort that way, without a wand. Or perhaps it will take several of Harry's closest friends to help win in a group effort. Gosh, there are so many possible conclusions. Maybe if both Harry and Voldemort choose to cast the same spell, then there would be no counter-effect. (Shudder.... Now I'm trying to envision both Harry and Voldemort yelling Avada Kedavra at each other, and having both spells work.... No. Let this alternative not be true....!)

Posted Jun 29, 2003 at 1:19 AM EST

Prefect

House: Gryffindor
Points: 377

jamesthom says:

to hedwig1974 the letters are the initials of the people who gave and listen too the prophercy.

Posted Jun 29, 2003 at 5:32 AM EST

Prefect

House: Gryffindor
Points: 377

jamesthom says:

how are the two creevy brothers in the meeting at the hogs head. didn't the younger brother arrive at hogwarts in book 4. so he is know in the second year. only allowed to visit hogmeads in the 3 year.

Posted Jun 29, 2003 at 6:19 AM EST

Marauder

House: Gryffindor
Points: 3954

jade says:

To Aravis the word "WOTCHER" means hello, how are you.

I can't wait for book 6 i think all the people who went to the ministry with Harry will all play an enourmous part in the rest of the books. Does any one else think that the DA club will still be going even though Umbridge has gone i mean they do have a cahrms club

Posted Jun 29, 2003 at 9:31 AM EST

Prefect

House: Ravenclaw
Points: 361

LaDonna says:

Aravis -- wotcher is a greeting it can mean hello or how are you depending on how you use it.

Posted Jun 29, 2003 at 11:45 AM EST

Wizard

House: Ravenclaw
Points: 993

Muggle Wizard says:

lauryn -- geez, I'm a guy but I can see how Harry screwed things up with Cho. It goes both ways. Cho was clearly obsessed with Cedric throughout the book, yet Harry was thick enough himself to not see what was going on the whole time and not understand what Cho had obviously been through....

All I can say is that I hope both characters learned from this experience. I do agree that they were definitely not a match, but that doesn't mean that there wasn't anything to be gained.

Posted Jun 29, 2003 at 12:55 PM EST

Wizard

House: Ravenclaw
Points: 993

Muggle Wizard says:

ravenfeather -- Umbridge drops her own wand. The Inquisitorial Squad in her office have Harry and Hermione's. When the DA decides to fight the IS, the DA recovers H and Hr's wands. Then (as has already been explained here), Ron returns them to their proper owners.

Posted Jun 29, 2003 at 12:57 PM EST

Witch

House: Hufflepuff
Points: 609

Aravis says:

Owlpost...I noticed the same thing about the recharacterization of Hufflepuffs (it being my own house LOL). Before it was for those that worked hard steadily even if they weren't amazing clever or whatever, and now it seems as if Hufflepuff is for those "rejects" who couldn't get into any other house. I mean, someone can be not clever or brave and not hardworking either. Geesh.

Muggle Wizard and Owlpost...Ernie MacMillan is in Hufflepuff...I thought there was a head boy and girl for each house (like the prefects) so in that case Ernie wouldn't be competing with Ron and Harry for it. Correct me if I'm mistaken though. I bet Hermione gets Head Girl. I do think we're going to see more of Ernie. Maybe Hufflepuff will get a new hero since our last claim-to-fame hero (Cedric) was ruthlessly murdered.

wangoballwime...thank SO much for the definition of "wotcher"! One more question (again displaying my ignorance LOL): what does "taking the mickey" mean? Again it is a couple places and it is driving me nuts.

Sarey...VERY interesting idea about the wands of Harry and Voldie not being able to completely kill each other. Of course this fact plays right into my theory of Voldie's final curse on Harry rebounding (and killing Voldie instead (due somehow to love...see my post earlier for the whole theory) because Harry wouldn't be using his wand, would he? The curse would've come from Voldie's own wand. (Muggle Wizard, I do hope Harry doesn't actually die from his sacrificial love...just have the spell rebound on Voldie)

Posted Jun 29, 2003 at 1:49 PM EST

Witch

House: Hufflepuff
Points: 609

Aravis says:

oh Lauryn...I hate Cho's guts too, but I have ever since she first appeared in GoF, so I'm glad Harry's over her now. I am one of the very few people sailing the Harry/Hermione ship, but if (sigh...) the Hermione/Ron thing comes true, Ginny is my second choice for Harry.

Posted Jun 29, 2003 at 1:53 PM EST

Wizard

House: Ravenclaw
Points: 993

Muggle Wizard says:

Let's just put it this way -- if Harry hadn't had this opportunity to get to know Cho a little bit and start figuring out how it's REALLY supposed to work, he probably would have screwed up trying to find a relationship with Hermione or Ginny or someone else. (Actually he already has made his share of mistakes, but not nearly as bad as he was messing things up with Cho....)

Posted Jun 29, 2003 at 2:07 PM EST

Animagus

House: Gryffindor
Points: 19544

Sirius-Ella says:

Hello My fellow hogwarts companions!
I fineshed the 5th last week on Thrusday (6/26/03)
I have since then depressed that Sirius is dead.
I have to agree with someone who posted, that he/she
can't belive that Sirius is dead, cause as someone else posted the curse that flew out of Bella's wand was red and that ofcourse to my knowledge is a stun, but why would his back curl? And I DEFFINAITLY think theres something going on between ron and harmione (wink wink) and I don't think cho and harry are right for each other, she is to emotional and just wants to talk to harry about Cedric.
AND I HATE UMBRIDGE and I was very mad at dumbledor for keeping this stuff from harry, and if only snape got to harry fast enough sirius would probably be alive..(I think)
My favorite new character was Dung, he cracked me up. but my favorite character of all the books is Sirius, and always will be and, I REALLY HOPE j.k. rowling brings him back.
-siriusella

Posted Jun 29, 2003 at 2:48 PM EST

Witch

House: Hufflepuff
Points: 609

Aravis says:

Muggle Wizard...you are right in your last post. I hadn't thought about it like that. However, Cho did approach Harry and obviously he was really nervous on his date ("er..") so Cho shouldn't have pushed him that fast. He did goof up with the whole "yeah, gotta go see Hermione" thing though. Oh well, it was all for the best :-)

Posted Jun 29, 2003 at 4:18 PM EST

Minister of Disinformation
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Geri says:

lauryn.. you're not weird! Rowling answered this last week by saying that as a baby Harry couldn't comprehend the death of his mother & Cedric's death hadn't sunk in by the end of GoF - that's why he hasn't seen them till bk 5. Hope that answers your question.

Posted Jun 29, 2003 at 7:10 PM EST

Student

House: Gryffindor
Points: 279

Iisashes says:

OOOoooh, I think I found a mistake: Page 166, first and second paragraphs. "He leaned over his trunk, laid the robes on the bottom of it, and pretended to be rummaging for something while Hermoine crossed to the wardrobe and called Hedwig down. A few moments passed; Harry heard the DOOR CLOSE but remained bent double, listening; the only sounds he could hear were the blank picture on the wall sniggering again and the wastepaper basket in the corner coughing up the owl droppings.

He straightened up and looked behind him. Hermione and Hedwig had gone. Harry hurried across the room. CLOSED THE DOOR, then returned slowly to his bed and sank onto it, gazing unseeingly at the foot of the wardrobe.

Anyone else spot it? He closed the door twice? LOL

Posted Jun 29, 2003 at 8:31 PM EST

Wizard

House: Ravenclaw
Points: 993

Muggle Wizard says:

Aravis, I agree with you here, too. I think the whole Harry/Cho thing was really close to how it happens a lot in real life, though, too.

dhurwich -- as far as I know we have no real information on book 6 yet.

HGreenbacker -- I like your comparison of Ron to Lupin. However, I think Lupin had more of a chance of keeping his friends in check than Ron does of keeping Harry in check. Ron is still a little too willing to just let things go. (Note that Hermione is the only "real" fifth year Gryfinndor prefect in that she seems to be the only one who tries to enforce rules. Ron does get a snowball thrown in his face...)

Posted Jun 29, 2003 at 9:16 PM EST

Student

House: Gryffindor
Points: 268

Tadhgain says:

This is really really off subject, I was just wondering if anyone else noticed that if you say the name of the house elf aloud, Kreacher, it sounds like creature...Do you think JK did that on purpose?

Posted Jun 30, 2003 at 12:12 AM EST

Student

House: Gryffindor
Points: 268

Tadhgain says:

And another thing, I know I should have consolidated my ideas, but this just came to me...what happened to Halloween? I assume it was cut out due to the length of the book...but can any of us really say we would have minded it being longer?

Posted Jun 30, 2003 at 12:15 AM EST

Head Girl

House: Gryffindor
Points: 479

eclektic says:

i think some pple are wondering abt james's house while he was in hogwarts. if u refer to ur book at pg621 (uk edition) harry says,
"the truth was that ron had forcibly reminded harry forcibly of another GRYFFINDOR quidditch player who had once sat rumpling his hair under this very tree."

well, we know know by now (those of u who have read the book i mean) that from the pensieve, the quidditch player mentioned above is none other than harry's father himself.. mystery solved...! :)
still trying to find evidence abt sirius's hse tho.. so ill keep u guys posted if i find anything. have a shrewd feeling its gryffindor too. i mean, if we look at the history of the rivalry between the different hses; particularly that of gryffindor and slytherin (as some of u think sirius is in) its pretty impossible for james and sirius who are the best of friends no less to be so close to one another.
and another point to take note i think. just becos u have family members in hogwarts, it doesnt neccessarily mean that theyll end up in the same hse i think. a great example wld be parvati and padma patil, twins who are in gryffindor and ravenclaw respectively..

Posted Jun 30, 2003 at 2:17 AM EST

Prefect

House: Gryffindor
Points: 377

jamesthom says:

did anyone notice the mistake in book 5. during the meeting at the HogsHead pub. The Creevey brothers are present. but the youngest is only in year 2. He has to be in Year 3 to be allowed to hogsmead.

Posted Jun 30, 2003 at 4:45 AM EST