Discussion: The 'Phoenix' files

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House: Gryffindor
Points: 377

jamesthom says:

ps littlewonder17 page 670 in the uk version
"so" said Ron pushing aside a low hanging branch and holding out harrys wand.

Posted Jun 23, 2003 at 5:03 PM EST

Prefect

House: Gryffindor
Points: 377

jamesthom says:

sorry just read again,Ron had both of them

Posted Jun 23, 2003 at 5:05 PM EST

Chief Quibbler Editor

House: Ravenclaw
Points: 2926

The Obsesser says:

hmm, yea... that's another thing i thought of

ron--PREFECT!!! and what's the quidditch gonna be like next year?? i hope not worse!!!

silversmoke, about the fireplace at grimmauld being waatched... you have a point... but i think we would have heard about it before now...

DOES ANYONE GET WHAT I'M SAYING ABOUT THE THESTRALS????????????

Posted Jun 23, 2003 at 5:07 PM EST

Prefect

House: Gryffindor
Points: 377

jamesthom says:

is it me or is Harry doing a lot of spells without a wand. in book 1 vanishing glass, 3 aunt Marge, Book 5 Vernon could not hold onto him because he was getting hot, this all happens when Harry is angry, his could be important when the final fight comes

Posted Jun 23, 2003 at 5:09 PM EST

Gopotter2004 says:

Yeah! I had forgotten about that, too... the also said Lumos to FIND his wand on the ground... Very important, I'm sure. And about James: If Lily ends up liking him, I'm sure he got better. But he was HORRID.

Posted Jun 23, 2003 at 5:12 PM EST

Gopotter2004 says:

hgranger25: I think he DID cause some pain, but not enough to last awhile... (sorry, can't check, my little sister is reading it.) I have a feeling poor harry will face more manipulation to come...

Posted Jun 23, 2003 at 5:16 PM EST

Order of Merlin, 3rd Class

House: Ravenclaw
Points: 1488

rdosty says:

I dunno if anyone said anything in regard to your comment yet, but to Jade Lyra and littlewonder17, the DADA teacher gave the wands to Draco I thought, so when Ron and gang showed up later after fighting to get away from Draco's gang he would have naturally brought the wands.

Posted Jun 23, 2003 at 5:40 PM EST

Ohnonotme says:

SiriuslySpeakingBlack ~ I do remember the strong emotions in my teen years, the anger and confusion, but there were also consequences for my outbursts. My friends weren't as forgiving, my parents didn't tolerate it, and those consequences taught me about adult communication. That while I was yelling, it was harder for me to get my point across. That if I controlled my temper and spoke, I was more likely to be truly listened to. I didn't see many consequences for Harry's numerous outbursts. It'll be interesting to see if my daughter was a scandalized as I was about the lack of self control Harry shows.

Posted Jun 23, 2003 at 5:42 PM EST

Prefect

House: Gryffindor
Points: 377

jamesthom says:

Did anyone notice the fountain in the minisrty of magic. the witch and wizard and the house-elf, goblin and centaur, why these creatures? and who are the witch and wizard.

Posted Jun 23, 2003 at 5:43 PM EST

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House: Gryffindor
Points: 377

jamesthom says:

yes hganger25 harry DADA teacher in book 7

Posted Jun 23, 2003 at 5:49 PM EST

Ohnonotme says:

hgrange25~ I enjoyed the DA and as always, the Weasley Twins. Even though they are such trouble makers, they were never cruel and so earnest in their pursuit of the best joke, you appreciate the fruits of their pursuit. I also can't wait to see their joke shop.

Posted Jun 23, 2003 at 5:52 PM EST

Order of Merlin, 3rd Class

House: Ravenclaw
Points: 1488

rdosty says:

hgranger25 I think Neville says he saw death when his great grandfather died or something.

Posted Jun 23, 2003 at 5:52 PM EST

Headmaster
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Cheeser says:

noones too old for Harry: As for the Harry/Cho thing. I did find it interesting (but to be expected) that JK did a graceful "fade to black" once Harry's and Cho's faces were so close and only later did Harry admit to Ron and Hermione that they had kissed. I have to say, though, the mental picture of Ron punching his hand up in the air and rolling around on the ground afterwards is priceless.

Posted Jun 23, 2003 at 5:57 PM EST

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House: Ravenclaw
Points: 1488

rdosty says:

I have a question... didn't it say somewhere in the book that there was finally a rule to kick Peeves out of the castle when Umbridge took over? Why didn't he leave? The Weasley twins were awesome though. I'm glad Peeves listened to their last request at Hogwarts.

Posted Jun 23, 2003 at 5:59 PM EST

Squib

House: Gryffindor
Points: 105

MsBHaven says:

Susan Bones? Hmm I can recall that some people threw her as somone non-important just because of a brief mentioning of her in the first book. The first time we even hear of Susan Bones is during the Sorting Ceremony in the first book. Susan Bones ends up in Hufflepuff. Then in the Order of the Phoenix at a hearing, we meet Madam

So Snape... *hem, hem* Professor Snape did have a rotten childhood. As for Harry blaming Snape er Professor Snape for Sirius is so... juvenile. But then for Snape to do the whole sins of the father bit was pretty juvenile for a 41 year old man. *I'm assuming he's 41 cause Lucius is 41*

In the end with Harry, Hermione, Ron, Ginny, Luna, & Neville... they reminded me of the Scooby Gang a bit a la Buffy. With Harry of course being Buffy. Neville is definitely coming into his own. Neville is a hero. He will make his gran so proud, I see it coming. LONG LIVE DUMBLEDORE'S ARMY!!

Three questions....

Luna Lovegood - does she want Harry or Ron?

And who did Neville see die?

Percy Weasley - will he suck it up and admit he was wrong?

Posted Jun 23, 2003 at 6:02 PM EST

Witch

House: Hufflepuff
Points: 884

sirius trouble says:

JKR totally gave away who was going to die at the beginning of the book...

turn to page 60 of the US edition, and go to the bottom paragraph...

"THe others' hushed voices were giving Harry a sense of foreboding; it was as though they had just entered the house of a DYING PERSON."

and they had just entered Sirius's house...

Posted Jun 23, 2003 at 6:05 PM EST

Squib

House: Gryffindor
Points: 105

MsBHaven says:

Okay that was supposed to be Madam Amelia Susan Bones.

Posted Jun 23, 2003 at 6:06 PM EST

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rdosty says:

I don't think Percy will admit to being wrong because he's too proud, but i think he will try and get back on good terms with the family. Hopefully this whole incident will bring him back down to earth. I hope I'm wrong in him not apologizing.

Posted Jun 23, 2003 at 6:08 PM EST

Prefect

House: Gryffindor
Points: 388

Magellan says:

Neville saw his grandfather die. I think it was Harry who asked him.

I agree with whomever stated that Neville is going to make his gran proud . . . he has a lot of heart. I kept wondering why the Sorting Hat put Neville in Gryffindor, since he seemed so frightened of everything.

Percy's a little snit, or as Ron consistently calls him, a little git. Either way, I fear that he will go on to the darker side, perhaps being drawn in by the power which Voldemort will undoubtedly exhibit in Book 6.

Poor Mrs. Weasley!

Posted Jun 23, 2003 at 6:25 PM EST

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House: Gryffindor
Points: 390

OliverPavo says:

I hope Percy goes back together with his famliy. I agree with Jade Lyra Luna likes Ron alot you can so tell.

Posted Jun 23, 2003 at 6:29 PM EST

Prefect

House: Gryffindor
Points: 388

Magellan says:

Sorry to post again, but as my 5 year old daughter watches HP I and HP II incessantly, I found the reference to Susan Bones interesting. In talking about the movie on the CD version of HP II, JK Rowling states that she had some degree of editorial authority, and she would not let the screenwriter remove certain scenes because they would be important later.

If you recall, there were only five people who were shown being sorted in HP I: Hermione Granger, Susan Bones, Draco Malfoy, Ron Weasley and Harry Potter, and not in alphabetical order as in the book. Also, the young lady who portrays Susan Bones shows up sitting next to Hermione in the DADA classroom scene and she can be viewed standing in the scene in Mrs. Sprout's herbology class.

She is likely to be important at some future date.

Posted Jun 23, 2003 at 6:31 PM EST

Lina says:

An (admittedly minor) nitpick - when did the prefects' badges change from silver to Hogwarts House colors?

Also, I agree that the way Harry and Hermione regained their wands was far from clear.

My problems with the book:
While I can understand Harry being angry, I'm puzzled as to why he spends so much time yelling at his two best friends. When I was fifteen, these were the LAST people I would've yelled at. Also, I find Harry's immense anger a bit sudden. Frankly, I've always wondered why he hasn't been really angry before. I mean, look at the life he's led, what with all that Dursley Abuse.

I didn't need to have Sirius's life story explained to me. I thought JKR did such a magnificent job in describing the Black house, with complaining Kreacher and screaming Mrs. Black (not to mention all those hideous objects on display). Given those, I pretty much figured out what Sirius's backstory was. I don't think she needed to have Sirius "spell it out" - the house itself told the story.

That said, the plot twists were brilliant, as was JKRs use of already-known characters. Hermione's inventive use of Rita Skeeter, the reappearance of Lockhart, and Dumbledore's "explanation" of the D.A. were all priceless. (And I love the way JKR "buried" that plot point about Mr. Bode in between Lockhart and the Longbottoms. Very, VERY clever.)

Posted Jun 23, 2003 at 6:31 PM EST

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House: Ravenclaw
Points: 353

Ms. White17 says:

Wow thank you so much you guys, i triple checked and i guess i was reading too fast and skimmed over the little details.

But other than that i have to say that this book was truely wonderful!! It was so dense, i loved the suspense when Mr. Weasley was injured because we knew someone was going to die and it kinda throws you off track. I absolutely loved the whole Dumbledore's Army thing,very powerful and exciting.

The book made me laugh and sob like a baby and just off to read it again more carefully.

And also, the whole relationships thing was quite onfusing, Hermione does kiss Ron on the cheek, and Ron is still jealous but i suppose they will get together later. I hope there is more Lupin the future too cause he's always been my favorite character!

Posted Jun 23, 2003 at 6:31 PM EST

IveyChan says:

Wow this book is packed.
I wish we knew more about Snape. Though we see Dumbledor is right to trust him.
Percy is in a funny spot. His family and Dumbledor were right, and he pratically disowned them. I think Rdosty is right.
Rowling did a great job with the emotions of all the characters, Sirus included. The most action packed book of them thus far.
I wish the ending and fighting was slower. What spells did Ron and Hermoine get hit with? Too bad Neville did not get a jinx off.
Neville or Harry. That was crazy!
I expected more backgroud information, but all the action was awesome.
So what clues did she put in this one.
Any ideas on book 6. Time to re-read an analize this one.

Posted Jun 23, 2003 at 6:43 PM EST

Witch

House: Hufflepuff
Points: 609

Aravis says:

Ack! I have so much I want to write this is gonna be long. And I'll probably think of a ton more to write in five minutes. Strawbeez, I am going to copy your very neat format :-) Here goes:
Harry... he was really angry throughout the book, which I guess is normal for that age and understandable for those of us who've been there. It made me really sad when he was yelling at Dumbledore though. Geri, I also cried when Dumbledore told Harry about not choosing him as prefect. I guess we also have to understand that Harry is having weird feeling as Volde posesses him and I think that is upsetting him as well.
Sirius...okay, that was really upsetting. JKR said in her interview though that it had to be Sirius because she had to kill the only person who is like family to Harry. It was really sad. I also cried when Harry took out the mirror in the end. I just wish he'd used the mirror before! Argh! (okay, I'm calming down now...)
Ron...I'm glad he's finally coming into his own now, as the expression goes. It was disturbing to have him playing Quidditch when Harry couldn't, but I think that made it even more painful for Harry when he couldn't play and Ron could. I bet Harry can play once that witch Umbridge is gone.
Hermione...I LOVE her! She's always been my fav character (well, with Harry but more in this book) and she is just awesome in this book. Jade Lyra, I hope you are right that there is something between Harry and Hermione because I'd like to see them together (tho I know I'm the only one not rooting for the Ron/Herm. thing)
Cho...I hope Harry stays away from her. I really disliked her in book 4 and I'm glad she turned out to be a nit. I know Harry wasn't exactly cool but geesh, he's 15; most boys would act like that.
Neville...I'm really proud of Neville. He is going to live up to his Gryffindor status. I bet we don't even know the half of his history yet. He must have seen someone die ('cause of the Thesrals) but we don't know who yet. I am really confused though because, as Geri mentioned before, weren't we supposed to see a lot more of Trevor?
Snape...I actually felt a bit sorry for him (who'd of ever thought?). I was surprised that Harry didn't realize Snape HAD to act like he didn't know what Harry was talking about Padfoot in front of Umbridge. It's also more understandable why Snape hates Harry so much because of James. I wonder if Snape was just as nasty back. I mean, Harry et. al. are nasty to Malfoy, because Malfoy's nasty to them. However, if we just saw five minutes of them beating up Malfoy, we might think they were horrible people. Just a thought.
James Potter...see above, although I'd like to add he was a snit. However, boys that age can do stuff like that (nasty pranks, etc) and still turn out to be decent people in a few years (I know by experience). Still, I think it was good to see his father more realistically, versus as a hero-worship figure.
Lily...she seems very cool and a wonderful person. I think we'll hear a lot more about her in the next books. I, as many other people, want to know more about the Lily/Petunia thing.
Ginny...she's growing up into a really cool girl. She's my second choice for Harry (if the Ron/Hermione thing is destined to be..sigh..)
Fred and George...they are great! One of the best parts of the book was when they left school. I can't believe that Mrs. Weasley didn't have a major fit though. It doesn't make sense and at the end when they all greet Harry at the end the twins are there right next to Mrs. Weasley. Is it because they are doing well in their business? I hope we see more of them.
Okay, I am going to post this because it is very long (sorry folks, I try to shut myself up but it doesn't work). I'm sure I'll think of something else in five minutes. BTW, I also did the marathon reading thing (I had foot surgery so had to wait for amazon to deliver...I'm stuck in bed). I'm going to reread the book now.

Posted Jun 23, 2003 at 6:49 PM EST

Witch

House: Hufflepuff
Points: 609

Aravis says:

Lina, I agree completely with you about Harry and his anger.

Posted Jun 23, 2003 at 6:53 PM EST