Discussion: The 'Phoenix' files

Witch

House: Hufflepuff
Points: 609

Aravis says:

Lauryn...I did notice that "mate" thing. I mean, I don't think it was ever used before and then it was used like 3 times in two pages. Weird.

TrueBluePotterFan...thanks for the heads up on Aberforth. But Moody said that photo was "the only time I've ever met him, strange bloke" so how could he be in the Order? Or maybe he was in the Order for a very short time and then defected or dropped out or something? Theories anyone?

Posted Jul 2, 2003 at 2:34 PM EST

Auror

House: Ravenclaw
Points: 2374

TrueBluePotterFan says:

Aravas,
Here is a theory on Aberforth. He also is a spy similar to Snape. He is in deep and the only one who knows is Dumbledore. That is why he works in the Hogs Head where many shady wizards/witches come to drink. He reports conversations of dark wizards to Dumbledore.

Well at least that is my take on it. Any thoughts?

Posted Jul 2, 2003 at 2:48 PM EST

Snape's Woman
(Moderator)

House: Ravenclaw
Points: 5392

Prof. Andaxia Moonstar says:

All I can say is WOW!! I believe this to be the best in the series (so far). Sirius was on my short-list, but I really didn't think he would be the one. Good-bye Snuffles. (sniff-sniff). I wasn't surprised by the Figg/Squib angle, but the fact that Petunia knew about the dementors was interesting. The thestrals were fascinating, and I can't wait to see them in Movie 5! (Fortunately, through the magic of CGI, most of us will not have to witness death to see them).

I was pleased that a little more of Snape's past was revealed, as he is my favorite character. Fred and George's exit was genius ("Give her hell from us, Peeves"), and Umbridge was deliciously pure evil. I also thoroughly enjoyed the real Moody - cantankerous and funny without meaning to be.

I was touched at the end, when Dumbledore revealed he cares for Harry so much that he put the plan in danger. That scene really humanized him, and I just wanted to give them all big hugs. Incredible writing.

I definitely feel that we haven't seen the end of the Department of Mysteries. I agree with many others that the weapon is in the locked room, and concerns the mystery of Love. I am also interested to see how next year's Quidditch team shapes up, since most of the original players we started with are now gone.

On to Year 6!!!

Posted Jul 2, 2003 at 2:51 PM EST

Old Chortlebones

House: Hufflepuff
Points: 2601

Newt Scamander says:

Andaxia Moonstar - I was under the impression that finding out the true and full meaning of the prophecy was the weapon Voldemort wanted so much. I figured that it was being guarded so as to prevent Voldemort from sneaking up to it and grabbing it easily.

The thing with the heart is that, even if it was the weapon and Voldemort discovers what lies inside that door, as Dumbledore said, Voldemort doesn't understand love and the heart at all. Maybe that will be his big mistake in combat this time around, and that is trapping himself in a room with the one weapon that can destroy him easily. It would be a waste of time and easy to corner him.

Posted Jul 2, 2003 at 3:09 PM EST

Head Girl

House: Gryffindor
Points: 468

Charlie'sMum says:

Just want to share the 'what house was Sirius in thing - Firstly, even though his family were probably a long line of Slytherins, because he was the 'white sheep' (get it?) of the family, he was most likely put in Gryffindor with James.
And the statement that most people who went bad were in Slytherin doesn't mean that everyone in Slytherin went bad, nor does it preclude other people from going bad. And also, let us not forget that it is our choices that make us who we are. Peter Peddigrew could have had the potential to be a true Gryffindor, but he chose to take the path of least resistance. Look at Percy. He is a Gryffindor, but I wouldn't be at all surprised if he goes dark, just because he is so ambitious. We'll see, I suppose.
What house was Lilly in, I wonder. I'm guessing Ravenclaw.

Posted Jul 2, 2003 at 3:32 PM EST

Prefect

House: Gryffindor
Points: 340

Prongs1 says:

Newt scamande, Thanks for your thoughts n I'll defiantly be buying 'your' book (for my first year at Hogwarts) great name I just got it this morning whilst re-reading the philosopher's stone. Dam my incompetence! Also found something that was nice, dumbledore repeats what he says about the forbidden forest in the 1st book but instead of saying 'a few older students would do well to remember that as well' n looking at the twins he looks at the trio. I just thought it was a nice touch.

Posted Jul 2, 2003 at 3:45 PM EST

Prefect

House: Gryffindor
Points: 340

Prongs1 says:

On the point of sirius's death that alot of paaps are talking a bout, I don't think he was killed bellatrix's
avarda kedavra curse I believe the veil was the cause of his death and he was just stunned. either way I dont think it matters cos its unlikly he's coming back which is a shame cos I WANNA KNOW MORE ABOUT LILY N JAMES!

Posted Jul 2, 2003 at 3:58 PM EST

Muggle

House: Gryffindor
Points: 29

hpkid14 says:

does anyone here know wich house sirius was in.
I knever read anywhere about his house.

Posted Jul 2, 2003 at 4:06 PM EST

Chief Quibbler Editor

House: Ravenclaw
Points: 2926

The Obsesser says:

Witchy Ways--you said the same thing that i did about Dumbledore, but better than I did. Harry is no longer naive. He seems to understand. The only way he can really understand is if, after he recovers from Sirius, that he examines stuff more carefully. I think that the only way he can really grow into being who he is according to the prophecy is to understand. He needs to understand that he is human, that Siruis' death was not his fault, that Dumbledore is human, he was not the cause of his death either, and, great wizard that he is, Dumbledore is like everyone else--he has flaws.

And like Witchy Ways said--Harry has flaws that he seems unable to recognize until something like Sirius' or Cedric's death happens. But the thing is, with Cedric's death, he blamed himself for it, and it didn't help. He just made himself miserable and angry during the summer. Will he use this chance to stop and take a look at himself, and what he has done?

Another thing: how does a person look at themselves? Most people aren't experts at seeing from the viewpoint of others, they need others to tell them, and only then do they see what they might look like to another person. *sighs* If only there was a mirror that you could look into and see yourself from someone else's POV. But if there was, I have a feeling Voldemort would put it to his own use.

And I still stand by that love thing, that love is helping Harry, and yet hindering him.

Oh, well, not sure if anyone understood that...

Posted Jul 2, 2003 at 4:23 PM EST

Animagus

House: Gryffindor
Points: 19544

Sirius-Ella says:

Hey, I thought Sirius was in the same house as James...(Gryffindor) and what house was Snape in? Slytherin?

Posted Jul 2, 2003 at 4:25 PM EST

Animagus

House: Gryffindor
Points: 19544

Sirius-Ella says:

Hi All!
I just thought I’d introduce myself,
I’m Siriusella, a trueborn fan of Harry Potter,
I just started reading Harry Potter 2 years ago,
I’ve read all of them. The 3rd one twice. And planning
On reading the 5th one again, I finished the fifth one
The 26, I (on 2 of July) am still finding it hard to believe
Or comprehend that Sirius is dead; I still believe there is
Some way the Harry could get him back. I’m being very
Selfish I know…. but I really like Sirius’s character, and
Think that J.k. should bring him back. And as another thought
I believe that Harry has taken into habit of saving people because
I think he has a good heart and probably can’t help it, and is to
Stubborn to listen to his friends I don’t know if anyone else
Is having the problem of getting over Sirius’s death other then
Me. Maybe there are people that are sad but I’m seriously sad L L
And I think that Harry should live a full happy life at the end of the 7th
Book. That’s my thoughts I know I probably haven’t made any sense
To anyone but it was best that I vented I really like this forum
At first I thought it was helpful but now people are saying that Harry
Will have to sacrifice himself to kill Voldemort * shudder* lol just kidding.
I think all the houses will unite with Dumbldore, Mconagoll, Snape (shudder),and all those teachers and ofcorse “The order” and somehow form
An amry against Voldemort and win and we dance we kiss we smooze and were all happy. I know I will soon get over sirius's death and think that it was MAYBE (underline maybe) for the best I don't know how but just maybe.
_-=(Sirius-Ella)-=_

Posted Jul 2, 2003 at 5:14 PM EST

Madam Librarian

House: Gryffindor
Points: 13160

I-Pie says:

In refernce to next year's Q. team, the two players left with the most experience will be Katie and Harry? Who thinks Harry will be made Captain?

Posted Jul 2, 2003 at 5:20 PM EST

Prefect

House: Ravenclaw
Points: 361

LaDonna says:

Can someone tell me why the pic I've choosen isn't showing up beside my name on posts?

Posted Jul 2, 2003 at 5:43 PM EST

Witch

House: Hufflepuff
Points: 609

Aravis says:

TrueBluePotterFan...brilliant theory on Aberforth. I really think you're right. I mean, the Hog's Head would be the perfect place to have a spy, and bartender's/tavern owners do sort of blend in and can overhear people talking. Could Aberforth have been the one to catch the eavesdropper that overheard Sybill Trelawney's prophesy to DD? Makes sense to me.

Posted Jul 2, 2003 at 6:00 PM EST

Witch

House: Hufflepuff
Points: 609

Aravis says:

LaDonna...make sure you've copied the whole avatar code/address thing correctly. That's all I can think it might be.

Posted Jul 2, 2003 at 6:02 PM EST

Animagus

House: Gryffindor
Points: 19544

Sirius-Ella says:

OK! I it just now for some reason popped into my head on who will go with who...Hermione/Ron..And Ginny/Potter ,
ther reason i thought ginny and potter is cause...if you remember harry's mom had red hair...it'd be like PERFECT lol....sorry I know this must be dumb..

Posted Jul 2, 2003 at 7:16 PM EST

Professor

House: Gryffindor
Points: 1012

Imperio says:

George Can'tStandya- The O.W.L.s are done in the fifth year yes, however the N.E.W.T.s are done in the seventh as shown in OotP page 711 US Edition, "Once breakfast was over, the fifth and seventh years milled around in the entrance hall while the other students went off to lessons. Then, at half-past nine, they were called forward class by class to reenter the Great Hall..." So obviously the seventh years were the ones taking the exams and since Fred and George had no reports over the summer about the House of Black on N.E.W.T.s from their sixth year, the fifth years take the O.W.L.s and the seventh years take the N.E.W.T.s

Posted Jul 2, 2003 at 7:52 PM EST

Old Chortlebones

House: Hufflepuff
Points: 2601

Newt Scamander says:

Siriusella - Severus (I think) had to have been in Slytherin because he is the head of the Slytherin House, and I at least presume that you had to be a member of that house to be the head of it. Not all teachers must come from Hogwarts, but I'm guessing that those who do cannot be the Head of a House they weren't sorted into.

Posted Jul 2, 2003 at 9:52 PM EST

Prefect

House: Ravenclaw
Points: 361

LaDonna says:

I don't think there is such a thing as wizard royalty. That would just be to muggle of them.
On a side note I know J.K. said that Harry would never be an animagus, but I just realized even if he did become one he couldn't stay hidden. He would still have his scar no matter what form he took. So he would have a lighting bolt pattern on his animal self (Like Rita's glasses when she turned into a bug.)
Also I know you guys are tired of hearing this form me, but I'm positive Neville has a crush on Ginny. Not because of the whole Yule Ball thing, which obviously didn't go well since she wound up with Michael, but because of other hints in Book 5. (In U.S. edit. pg. 186, 742, 775, 798)
Not to mention that when the Death Eaters point to Ginny and say they're going to torture her Harry steps in front of her. It also says that his arm was pressed against Neville's, which means Neville stepped in front of Ginny too. (of course so did Hermione, but she's her best friend)
Sorry to rant.

Posted Jul 2, 2003 at 10:06 PM EST

Wizard

House: Ravenclaw
Points: 993

Muggle Wizard says:

LaDonna, I wouldn't mind Neville/Ginny. Then Hermione gets Harry (hopefully), and Ron gets Luna, and wow, everything works out great! (hmmm, odds on all three of these working out aren't too good, though... But it could happen.)

Posted Jul 2, 2003 at 11:20 PM EST

Wizard

House: Ravenclaw
Points: 993

Muggle Wizard says:

WitchyWays -- My opinion is that we won't see the time turner again. It is too complicated and JK runs a huge risk of making a contradiction. That said, she may try it. I just know that I wouldn't. Especially to try to change an event that happened in a different book.

Of course Umbridge had a stake in backing up Fudge. She is the Senior Undersecretary to Fudge. That basically (as I understand it) means that she was the number 2 person in the Ministry. I wouldn't think you could get that job by doing something other than what the number 1 guy is doing.

But at the same time, yes, I think she was also insane and sadistic. You don't just show up at Hogwarts and immediately start befriending Slytherins, IMO.

Posted Jul 3, 2003 at 12:37 AM EST

Student

House: Gryffindor
Points: 279

Abrez says:

any theories abt next books?

Posted Jul 3, 2003 at 12:55 AM EST

Virginia says:

Does anyone find the prophesy confusing? One interpretation is that its a "kill or be killed" situation between Harry and Volde. Another is that "neither can live while the other survives" means that both must die because they both can't be alive together.

This raises the question of the veil. First, is Sirius really dead? He was hit with a stun just before falling thru. Everyone assumes that when one eneters the veil, one automatically dies, but is this fact?

If not, then Harry in book 6 or 7 may very well be able to go thru and talk to Sirius, if not "rescue" him.

Finally, in book 1 Volde says that "together" they can bring back Harry's parents (one assumes using DA). Can Harry, in book 7, do it via the veil?

PS Posted this in Discussin #2 also.

Posted Jul 3, 2003 at 2:29 AM EST

Virginia says:

Does anyone find the prophesy confusing? One interpretation is that its a "kill or be killed" situation between Harry and Volde. Another is that "neither can live while the other survives" means that both must die because they both can't be alive together.

This raises the question of the veil. First, is Sirius really dead? He was hit with a stun just before falling thru. Everyone assumes that when one eneters the veil, one automatically dies, but is this fact?

If not, then Harry in book 6 or 7 may very well be able to go thru and talk to Sirius, if not "rescue" him.

Finally, in book 1 Volde says that "together" they can bring back Harry's parents (one assumes using DA). Can Harry, in book 7, do it via the veil?

Posted Jul 3, 2003 at 2:35 AM EST

Virginia says:

I can't explain the prefect system, but I can answer the "coming of age" question I have seen several times. The muggles actually have at least 2 coming of ages, 17 years, when the are for all purposes adults (similar to US 18) and 21 years, which is a legal age for property inheritances, serving certain positions in the legal community, etc. Most of this second one rarely comes into play unless it is the legal system (if Harry were in the Muggle world, he would have inherited the money, but chances are that he would have someone appointed guardian over him or, since he has an aunt who serves that purpose, as administrator over the "Potter estate".

Posted Jul 3, 2003 at 2:40 AM EST

Virginia says:

In the British private school system (which Hogwarts is modeled after)during school hours you must be in uniform (whats under their robes). During off school times (after hours, weekends etc.) you may wear your own clothes. Since they just had exams (in Snape's memory)they were in robes as it is official, but since school wasn't really in session for them, they could get away with having casual clothes on under their robes.

Posted Jul 3, 2003 at 2:46 AM EST