Discussion: The 'Phoenix' files

Professor

House: Gryffindor
Points: 1106

Ima Quidditch Fan says:

I really do not want Harry to do any more unforgiveable curses.

Since we haven't seen the Dart Arts from an offensive learning viewpoint... I just wonder if doing these types of curses lead you to the dark side.

Posted Jul 3, 2003 at 8:19 PM EST

Professor

House: Ravenclaw
Points: 1086

DRU587 says:

I don't really remember this too well, and I doubt it means too much, but in the last two books.. hasn't Hermione been kissing on Harry? I know its not much, usually a kiss goodbye or something, but it is kind of weird.

Posted Jul 3, 2003 at 8:22 PM EST

Squib

House: Gryffindor
Points: 100

Violet says:

ok first of all it is such a great book and i am still not finished but i am almost done. i think what happens to harry when he sees mr. weasley bieng attacked , is the same thing that happened to him when he saw frank bryce bieng murdered in book 4 . i dont know just wanted to point it out. well back to reading

Posted Jul 3, 2003 at 8:38 PM EST

Professor

House: Gryffindor
Points: 1106

Ima Quidditch Fan says:

Didn't JKR suggest that she got Hermione's name from Shakespeare?

If so, I think that a very interesting scenario between Ron, Hermione and Harry is inevitable.

Hermione loved/married a king. Hermione befriended her husband’s friend (another king), and her husband got jealous (sound like RON?).

I just think that with the little hugs, and cheek kisses, many have speculated about a Ron/Hermione or Harry/Hermione romance…. (Even to the point of posting a preference)

What if, Ron and Hermione do fall for each other, and Ron misinterprets Harry and Hermione’s friendship just as many of us may have? (JKR has made a point to tell us Ron is the jealous type)

Do you think that Ron would harm Harry if he felt betrayed? How would Harry and Hermione prove to Ron their innocence? Maybe this is a good time for Ginny to step in… :)

Your thoughts?

Posted Jul 3, 2003 at 8:40 PM EST

Professor

House: Ravenclaw
Points: 1086

DRU587 says:

I really hope JKR wouldn't be stupid enough to bring relationship problems into this trio, but she isn't listening to anyone else's opinion but her own. I wouldn't mind it as much if she hinted at it in book 6, but i don't think the relationship should happen in book 6. If she was going to make a relationship start up it should be in the final book. (That is if she stops at #7...)

Posted Jul 3, 2003 at 8:51 PM EST

Professor

House: Ravenclaw
Points: 1086

DRU587 says:

I don't know if anyone noticed this in the book, but when Harry was watching Snape's worst memory, James, Sirius, and the rest of the group called Snape Snivellus, however, Dumbledore refers to him as Severus. I think i'm right with spelling and everything. Does anyone have an explanation for this?

Posted Jul 3, 2003 at 8:58 PM EST

Student

House: Gryffindor
Points: 268

Tadhgain says:

I think that even though Harry actually did the Cruciatus Curse, it was undetectable by the Ministry due to all the other curses flying around at the time. The Ministry knew that Harry had done the Patronus Charm because it was the only charm done, and he was the only registered wizard in the area.

On a really off subject note...I had no other place to talk about this. I've been getting my (twin)sister to read Harry Potter and she's on PoA right now. Well, her job is as a "sitter" at a hospital, she was watching a patient who turned out to have lice...we had to put my PoA book in the microwave. No big, done it before(not that particular book). Well, my mom just put it on 1min and walked away, about 45sec later she says "What's that smell!?"...my book was in flames....tear....I had to share...Only the top right hand corner is ruined...to about 20 pages in, sigh. At least it was OotP!

Posted Jul 3, 2003 at 9:11 PM EST

Student

House: Gryffindor
Points: 268

Tadhgain says:

Scratch that, WASN'T OotP...on my last post...

Posted Jul 3, 2003 at 9:13 PM EST

Wizard

House: Ravenclaw
Points: 993

Muggle Wizard says:

Imperio and DRU587 -- I agree (especially with DRU587s latest post on this subject): JKR won't let a romance blossom within the trio in book 6 unless she intends it to remain intact. I could see something forming in book 7 to really make the climax of book 7 either very happy or very sad.

DRU587 -- Cheeser (the webmaster of this site) is constantly putting things into development, and as I understand it from his news topic "Happy 4th of July" he is finally getting himself some much needed help so he can get some of these things implemented.

Imperio and Ima Quidditch Fan -- I agree with James on this. The more I think about it the more I think that Harry was justified. There was definitely evidence downstairs in the Death Chamber that Harry was justified. If nothing else, the six students did help catch DEs -- and Fudge ended up actually seeing Voldemort. Still, knowing Fudge, there could be some trouble here. However, if there was to be trouble I think the Daily Prophet would have reported the events differently than they had.

DRU587 -- Snivellus is (as far as I can tell) a mean nickname for Severus (which is his proper name). Probably poking fun at what may have been sensitive emotions with a tendency to cry. Hence Snape learned Occlumency and as a result learned to control his emotions.

Posted Jul 3, 2003 at 9:16 PM EST

Squib

House: Gryffindor
Points: 164

Kadyak says:

Muggle Wizard is right on - the next book will almost certainly involve a lot of suffering and death. It is for this reason that I am so keen on seeing Moody take over as Minister of Magic. It would also be very helpful for him to come back to Hogwarts and actually teach the DADA class this time. I suspect Lupin will return to that role, or, perhaps, an current Auror. Moody, I think would be more valuable at the head of the Ministry. I really think his paranoia will serve everyone well.

I am curious to hear what people think about Virginia's post on the meaning of the "neither can live while the other survives" line in the prophecy.

My wife and I are debating what's going to happen with Percy Weasley. My hunch is that he'll eat crow and return to his parents - like the Prodigal Son that he is. My wife is not so sure, and she does have a point - his ambition has started to lead him down a dark path. That he could support Fudge is indicative of a very dark side. I suspect that Fudge's fate will strongly influence Percy's course of action.

My wife and I have also been wondering about Petunia. How much does she know about the wizarding world? How much contact did she have at one time? It appears that she was still living with her parents when Lily received her invitation to Hogwarts. She clearly knew just how Lily and James really died. I wonder if she was a Squib. I forget what it was, but my wife had an argument against this. Any thoughts?

Great posts, Muggle Wizard!

Posted Jul 3, 2003 at 9:27 PM EST

Professor

House: Ravenclaw
Points: 1086

DRU587 says:

Muggle Wizard- I totally agree on what you said. I figured that it was either a nickname given to Snape by James and Sirius, to taunt him, which we know they did quite often. The only other thing I could think of is that Snivellus could be his middle name, and since Snape was once a DE, he went to his proper (or first) name Severus, maybe to cut loose the ties that associated him with the Death Eaters.

Posted Jul 3, 2003 at 9:30 PM EST

Prefect

House: Ravenclaw
Points: 361

LaDonna says:

Does Dumbledore only have one sibling? I wish we got to meet him in one of the books.
Also about who is going to be a beater in the next book -- did Neville ever learn to fly, what about Dean or Seamus?
I really want to know how Harry and Ron did on their OWLS. I know Hermione probably got an O on everything.

Posted Jul 3, 2003 at 10:09 PM EST

Professor

House: Ravenclaw
Points: 1086

DRU587 says:

LaDonna- When I was reading the book, I got kinda confused on the whole O.W.L. thing. I know it is a test they take in their fifth year, but I don't really understand the grading scale. Do you know how it works?

Posted Jul 3, 2003 at 10:19 PM EST

Wizard

House: Ravenclaw
Points: 993

Muggle Wizard says:

DRU587 -- O.W.L.s are (as far as I can tell) graded on the following scale: O - outstanding, E - exceeds expectations, A - average, P - poor, D - dreadful. O is best, D is worst.

Posted Jul 3, 2003 at 10:31 PM EST

Professor

House: Ravenclaw
Points: 1086

DRU587 says:

owlpost- I don't agree with you on the captain thing.

I believe Harry will be captain, probably in book 6. The reason is, things happen exactly been going Harry's way lately, which could be seen in the anger and frustration Harry showed throught OotP. Plus with (him) dying and all.

I think JKR will probably give Harry the job of Captain on the Quidditch team to raise his spirits. If he doesn't receive Captain in Book 6, I still think JKR will do something to bring Harry back to his usual chipper self. She might give him high grades on his O.W.L.s to keep the dream of becoming on Auror alive for Harry.

Well, those are my thoughts...

I defintately agree with you about the Head Boy part. And I don't think Head Boys have to be prefects because Hagrid said James was Head Boy, but then Sirius said James wasn't a prefect. I think if Harry doesn't get it Neville probably will. He seemed to becoming less of a clutz (spelling?) in book 6, which is seen when Harry is impressed by how well Neville does in the DA.

Well, those are my thoughts...

Posted Jul 3, 2003 at 10:39 PM EST

malikii says:

FanFicish... yep.. that sums it up

Posted Jul 3, 2003 at 10:43 PM EST

Student

House: Gryffindor
Points: 279

Abrez says:

yeah DRU587...i was also wondering this......who won it???

Posted Jul 4, 2003 at 12:08 AM EST

Professor

House: Gryffindor
Points: 1106

Ima Quidditch Fan says:

Imperio - I am thinking Dean Thomas may change his mind about Quiddich, because he and Ginny are dating. She plays, and she likes the sport...

Just a thought.

I am guessing it is too late for Lee Jordan to sprout talent. First years never make the house teams with one notable exception. Maybe this is were we learn why Lavendar and Parvati are in Gryffindor. They have to be brave not to break a nail!

Posted Jul 4, 2003 at 12:08 AM EST

Wizard

House: Ravenclaw
Points: 993

Muggle Wizard says:

DRU587 -- as much as I'd like Harry's personal struggles to be over with, I'm not sure I see that in his future. Book 5 has me thinking really dark about Book 6. We'll have to see, I guess.

lauryn -- I tried re-doing my avatar. In case you still can't read it, it says "Muggle or Wizard? You decide!" It's a play on two different nicknames that I have had for well over ten years, "Muggle" and "Wizard". In HP these are contradictory terms. So I leave it up to others to decide which I am.

Posted Jul 4, 2003 at 12:08 AM EST

Professor

House: Ravenclaw
Points: 1086

DRU587 says:

How did you get the nickname Muggle? I had never heard of that before the HP books came out. That's kinda strange.

Posted Jul 4, 2003 at 12:20 AM EST

Professor

House: Ravenclaw
Points: 1086

DRU587 says:

Does anybody know what the qualities are for being in each house? All i can remember is that Gryffindor is bravery.

Posted Jul 4, 2003 at 12:26 AM EST

Professor

House: Ravenclaw
Points: 1086

DRU587 says:

Thanks phoenix, that clears it up a lot for me.

Posted Jul 4, 2003 at 1:11 AM EST

Professor

House: Ravenclaw
Points: 1086

DRU587 says:

hey abrez- i was told by someone earlier that we don't know who won it or if it was even awarded because the book follows Harry and only what he does, so since he decided to skip the feast we wont know who won the House Cup, unless we get told in #6 or #7.

Posted Jul 4, 2003 at 1:19 AM EST

Wizard

House: Ravenclaw
Points: 993

Muggle Wizard says:

DRU587 -- "Muggle" came from one of my sisters, who could not pronounce my first name properly when she was little. It stuck. "Wizard" came from my sixth grade teacher.

As far as Quidditch teams go -- why not keep the same Beaters that replaced Fred and George in book 5 (yeah, they aren't supposedly very good, but they do have a few games' experience now). Then you just need two Chasers -- one will be Ginny, and that just leaves one wildcard.

Posted Jul 4, 2003 at 1:22 AM EST

SMGARIES says:

just finish reading the book---i have one question, somewhere on chp 38 i was wondering why is harry still angry/will never forgive Snape for something, why is that/what is that thing that Harry will never forgive Snape for?

Posted Jul 4, 2003 at 1:36 AM EST

Squib

House: Gryffindor
Points: 164

Kadyak says:

Strawbeez Girl - I am sure something unexpected will happen with the Veil (which does APPEAR to me to be a transition into the afterlife). I find Virginia's theory unlikely only, though highly, because it seems to me that one of JKR's principle messages is that magic can't solve problems - least of all bringing someone back from the dead. At the same time, Virginia's theory is intriguing, and if there is something to it, I suspect it will be the revelation that being beyond the veil is not exactly being "dead" as we think of it. After all, we never see a dead body. (This would also contribute greatly to Harry's difficulty with accepting the death of Sirius. Given JKR's penchant for twists and for having characters pop up later - often in more sigificant roles - than they had before - we should expect the unexpected when it comes to the veil.

Regarding Umbridge - I told my wife the other day that I suspect that Umbridge is going to join Voldemort, or at least align herself with him distantly.

If my view of things is JKR's, Fudge will be disgraced. He will receive a vote of no-confidence in the Ministry. I don't see how that can't happen. As I observed before, he allowed Umbridge too much power and closed himself to sources of information that would tell him that she was abusing her power - and this is the most lenient scenario. At worst, he outright authorized her to do the specific things she did - and thus was a knowing, willing, collaborator. In any case, he must go. That being the case, she no longer can have a place in the ministry. She must fall with him. Where else is she to go? She could just go her own way, but if she does, I suspect that she would be easily used as a pawn by Voldemort. The other possibility is that she aligns herself with him, closely, or not so closely.

By the way, about your specific questions of what Fudge will believe, if my theory is correct, it would render those question moot when it comes to the direction the Ministry would take. Nevertheless, they are important when it comes to what course Fudge himself will take, because the answers to them would indicate if he can have any place in defense against Voldemort, in or out of the Ministry.

In the end, I think that whatever JKR does with Fudge, it will be of critical importance. She has already described the establishment of a police state at Hogwarts and the overthrow of the same. She can't leave Fudge in office as if nothing had ever happened, or treat it as a giant goof. If she does, that will be the greatest blow to her entire series - a profound inconsistency.

Posted Jul 4, 2003 at 3:08 AM EST