Discussion: The 'Phoenix' files

Witch

House: Hufflepuff
Points: 609

Aravis says:

Lina, I agree completely with you about Harry and his anger.

Posted Jun 23, 2003 at 6:53 PM EST

Squib

House: Gryffindor
Points: 105

MsBHaven says:

Some people only thought that Susan Bones was kept in the scene of the sorting was because the actress that portrayed her in the movie is Chris Columbus' daughter *non-British actress.*

I never would have guessed it was Sirus got whacked. JKR led up to it... very quietly. There were clues along the way... some subtle... in the end I thought Sirius'acting rash woould get someone else killed, not himself.

Posted Jun 23, 2003 at 6:56 PM EST

Witch

House: Ravenclaw
Points: 558

Quagmire127 says:

Great book. I was very surprised most of the time. There were some pretty funny parts mixed in a lot of anger and that really worked.

Tonks-what's her importance? I think she'll probably be a crucial character somewhere along the line. JK spent a lot of time on her for someone who didn't do a heck of a lot in this book.

Luna-I loved her. I'm not quite sure who she likes though. She's one of my favorite characters now but I'm not totally sure why.

Ron/Hermione-I was feeling the love, but they didn't come clean and admit they are in love like I was hoping.

Harry/Cho-I don't like this combination. Cho bothers me. Also, she isn't Ginny.

Fred and George-very funny. "Give her hell from us Peeves" or something like that.

Umbridge-EVIL! I thought she was working for our good friend Voldie, but it appears I was mistaken. A word on her detention-EW!! I was cringing the entire time. It was just sick.

Trelawney's prophecy-In my rereading of Book 3, I noticed the part where Dumbledore says that the prediction about Wormtail and Voldemort was her 2nd real prediction. I guess you always have to pay attention to EVERYTHING JK writes.

Room of Requirement-This was the one thing I predicted correctly for Book 5, that the important room would be the room of chamberpots. I guess what I said about the prophecy applies here too. Also, that room was just cool.

Snape's Worst Memory-I was totally expecting it to involve Voldemort or maybe his parents, instead of him getting called Snivellus when he was 15.

Sirius-I didn't expect him to die and it was quick. I didn't feel sad until later when Harry wants to communicate with him.

Wow, I didn't expect for this to be this long, and I know I'll probably going to think of more later, but this was just such a large and long book.

Posted Jun 23, 2003 at 6:56 PM EST

Witch

House: Ravenclaw
Points: 558

Quagmire127 says:

I thought of something already.

Percy-I can't believe it, yet I expected it. I really REALLY want him to get redeemed though.

Posted Jun 23, 2003 at 7:00 PM EST

Prefect

House: Gryffindor
Points: 390

OliverPavo says:

Jade lyra Yea It is kinda of weird that Sirius is the only good one in his family.

Posted Jun 23, 2003 at 7:02 PM EST

Squib

House: Gryffindor
Points: 105

MsBHaven says:

I also want Snape to admit to Harry he was wrong about him and tell him he's nothing like his dad.


Harry seeing Snape's past was very a nice lil surprise. I gotta say it's hard to admit to yourself tha tyour parents are human. That'll they never get sick, or die or ever made horrible choiuces or mistakes is a hard one to swallow. Espeically when they admit it to you.

Posted Jun 23, 2003 at 7:03 PM EST

Prefect

House: Ravenclaw
Points: 353

Ms. White17 says:

P.s. Not to mention the Weasley twins' Spectacular Escape! The thing of Hogwarts Legend!!! Awesome

Posted Jun 23, 2003 at 7:09 PM EST

Prefect

House: Ravenclaw
Points: 353

Ms. White17 says:

Yeah i wonder what will happen with Percy, his absolute arrogance, ignorance, stupidity, for a smart guy he was extremely dumb. I want to see some Percy groveling!!

Posted Jun 23, 2003 at 7:15 PM EST

Squib

House: Ravenclaw
Points: 117

gray_moth says:

straw breez girl: yes i thought exactly the same thing! how come he couldn't see them then, but he can now? well i have some sort of a theory. Okay: he knows his parents died, but he only remembers alot of green light and his mother and father's talking and a high cold laugh. MAYBE this is saying he doesn't remember watching them actally have the spell put on 'em so therefore, it didnt count. You had to've seen someone die.

That was really strange when Harry saw Snape's past. I feel terrible for Snape! And Harry. Him seeing what his father did just to relieve boredom...I dunno kinda odd. I hope he got better......Otherwise Harry's not gunna like him at all!! That would be so bad.

Um. Right. No one really's discussed this matter of Umbridge. So I shall take it on with pleasure! She's a EEEEVIL, ugly, power monger (as someone said earlier..dunno who) and she needs to have gotten whatever those centaurs were going to give her!!! Yes, even if that meant death, because she wouldn't have flinched much if she had had to kill Harry or one of his friends now would she? She was gunna use an illegal curse on him already, so why not finish them all off to keep them from telling?? Ya' know? Well, tell me your thoughts on that one cause it was just a random rampage.

And I LOVE THE WEASLEYS. All of them. Even PERCY because I feel he will come back, now that Voldemort has been declared "back" by his favorite person, his boss.

Man, that was longer than I meant, so I'll add later...

Posted Jun 23, 2003 at 7:43 PM EST

Student

House: Gryffindor
Points: 286

FootBall73Chic says:

Oh my gosh! OotP was so great! There is so much to talk about with it! I want the next book so bad now. um ok now with the personal comments....

Harry- I liked how he was in this book. It gave him more depth and stuff. lol. i don't know exactly how to explain it.

Hermione- yea. she was more daring in this book.

Ron- I am glad that he had a bigger part in the school but I wasn't happy that Harry couldn't play Quidditch any more. That was bogis.

Yea that new ladly, Umbridge was completly horrible! I Hated her so much! Detention with her is a trip to hell and back! The decreys (sp) were ridiculous.

Ok I am going to stop this far because no one reads the long ones but I will post again.

Posted Jun 23, 2003 at 7:52 PM EST

Witch

House: Hufflepuff
Points: 609

Aravis says:

MsBHaven, I agree with you about the parents thing. I bet Snape is one of those people who would rather die than admit they're wrong, so I bet he'll never admit to Harry he's not like James.

Percy is as power hungry and a doofus as Cornelius Fudge. However, in the end Fudge acknowledged Dumbledore was right. We didn't get to see how Percy reacted though. I bet we find out in book 6. Hopefully he'll see the light but he might be tempted to the dark side. He might pretend to come back to the Weasley's side but really just be spying for Voldemort. Hmmm...so the rumors begins...

Posted Jun 23, 2003 at 7:53 PM EST

Student

House: Gryffindor
Points: 286

FootBall73Chic says:

Hey LittleWonder17, the students that are part of Umbridge's little Society thing took their wands. And when Ron and the rest caught up with the two, they gave them back.

Posted Jun 23, 2003 at 7:54 PM EST

Student

House: Gryffindor
Points: 286

FootBall73Chic says:

I wonder what Percy can say now to his family. Especially Ron considering that letter he sent Ron. I hated the way he acted towards Harry.

Snape's worst memory- I was so glad to see more information about James's gang and how Snape and he acted in school. Lilly's part was interesting.

Posted Jun 23, 2003 at 7:56 PM EST

Student

House: Gryffindor
Points: 286

FootBall73Chic says:

Also, didn't JKR say that we would find something out about Lilly Potter and how she was good with charms or something like that. I don't remember exactly but if this sounds familiar let me know what happened to all that because I didn't see anything like that. We didn't find out about Lilly and JKR said we would. We found more about James than her.

Posted Jun 23, 2003 at 8:00 PM EST

Witch

House: Hufflepuff
Points: 609

Aravis says:

Kitkat...I'd forgotten until you posted that we were supposed to see Aragog. Actually, when Hagrid took Harry and Hermione into the dark forest to see his bro, I thought he was going to take them to Aragog. Guess not, huh? I also agree that we didn't see enough of the actual Order...though I do think it was plently dark enough as it was. Still, lots of questions still to be answered.

Posted Jun 23, 2003 at 8:00 PM EST

Student

House: Gryffindor
Points: 203

goofie says:

AS for the book it was great and it was one of my favorite books in the series. first the death at first i thought it was Dumbledore but when i got the book i had a feeling that it was Sirius, and i was right it was so sad. and for the temper thing with harry i mean can you blame him? the order was supposed to be mostly about protecting him and he didnt know anything about it. and for umbrige she was so mean and about the quill how did the writting get on the back of his hands i know it had something to deal with the quill but did it say anything else about it? and is it illegal? and for the snape thing i cant beleive that James did all that stuff to him but anyways back to the point Everyone has made it clear that harry looks like James and probably everytime he sees harry he sees James and remembers all the stuff that James did to him. and about the quittdich thing how could she band him from playing that was so wrong in so many levels. and about cho did it seem that she was just hanging out with him to talk about Cedric? do you guys have any thoughts about that? and for the Ron and Hermonie thing i thought there was going to be mre but it did adress it though. and about ginny she did have a role but i dont think that it was as big as i thought it would be. and about harry's dream/visions i think he should have listened to hermonie a little more because she was on his side. and about the ball im glad it got smashed because harry still has poweres that you know who does not know about. and when they thought that hermonie was dead i could feel the worry in harry it was so cool. and about the lily thing i thought we were going to find out more but oh well it was still good info that we got. and about the little mirror he found after he died to bad he didnt use it before he went up to the place because he could have talked to sirius directly and not have been trick, and i felt harrys pain when sirius died. and about dumbdore telling harry all that stuff that took guts and about nevile he was so cool in this book he ws brave and i appreciate his character much more now and when we saw dumbledore cry i felt his pain and im glad he was not made a prefect well thats all im going to go reread it again because i finished the book on saturday and i might have missed some things ........later

Posted Jun 23, 2003 at 8:17 PM EST

Prefect

House: Gryffindor
Points: 390

OliverPavo says:

I did see it. I do'nt think it was there.

Posted Jun 23, 2003 at 8:40 PM EST

Muggle

House: Gryffindor
Points: 58

phoenixfeathers says:

Go JK! That was my favorite book so far! It sure raised a lot of questions though. I'm particularly interested in the prophecy. Does the "special" child necessarily have to be Harry Potter? I have to wonder whether there is more to the prediction. When Dumbledore told Harry about the prophecy, I was reminded of one of JK's interviews in which she emphasized how readers seem to be confident that Harry will survive to adulthood . . . Perhaps the "mark" that Dumbledore mentioned didn't necessarily have to be a physical one. Everyone assumed that Harry was the child because Voldemort tried to kill him. This, interestingly, raises the possibility that Harry may not indeed be the key to Dark Lord's downfall. What if Harry, through his courage and effort, clears the path for (as bizarre as this sounds) Voldemort's downfall by means of Neville. That is to say, Harry is the hero, the one who struggles to defeat Voldemort and allows Voldemort's demise but not necessarily the key--the essential although seemingly accessory element--to Voldemort's demise or downfall itself. There's absolutely no evidence to support this theory (and I hope it's totally wrong), but it's interesting.

P.S. Lupin and Tonks ought to get together--they'd be cute. Oh yeah, did anyone feel just a wee bit sorry for Lockhart despite his gushing overconfidence?

Posted Jun 23, 2003 at 9:15 PM EST

Prefect

House: Ravenclaw
Points: 361

LaDonna says:

Was it just me or did anyone else notice some hints about a ron and hermione relationship? The first time I read through the book I thought it was leaning toward Harry and Hermione, but glancing through it again I saw some subtle hints.
Besides the whole Krum scenes, Ron says nice things like "Hermione, you are honestly the most wonderful person I've ever met"
There are also a few spots in the book, where Harry at one point and George and Fred in another, note that the way Ron and Hermione act is a lot like Mr. and Mrs. Weasley.
I like the part where Ron takes a sharp tone with Hermione after Harry said he may be bad at kissing nad Hermione said "of course you're not."
"How do you know?" he says.
I think the funniest part was Fred and George's escape. That was excellent.
I am so glad Ginny or Neville weren't killed. I think they both have something big to do with the downfall of Voldemort.

Posted Jun 23, 2003 at 9:37 PM EST

Witch

House: Hufflepuff
Points: 609

Aravis says:

Okay, everyone...I'm very disturbed. Now we know that in the end, either Voldemort or Harry must die (at the hand of the other). I saw rumors on other sites that the last sentence on the last book would be something like (I forgot exact wording) "The Dark Lord finally defeated the boy who lived" or something like that, AND JKR keeps hinting that Harry's not going to survive past the last book. SO.............................is Harry going to die in Book 7? I will be absolutely and completely devestated. Heartbroken. Distraught beyond words. What is everyone's thought on this?

Posted Jun 23, 2003 at 9:47 PM EST

Prefect

House: Ravenclaw
Points: 361

LaDonna says:

I always heard the last word of the Book 7 was going to be 'scar.' The prophecy was very vague. Something tells me that both Voldemort and Harry will die at the end of book 7. I heard Rowling said that the means to defeat Voldemort has something to do with love and family. I'm not sure she ment blood family or the people we consider to be our family. Like Harry considers the Weasleys and Lupin to be his family, not really the Dursleys.

Posted Jun 23, 2003 at 10:00 PM EST

Witch

House: Hufflepuff
Points: 609

Aravis says:

yeah, LaDonna, it was "the boy with the scar"

Posted Jun 23, 2003 at 10:04 PM EST

Hufflepuff Princess

House: Hufflepuff
Points: 24832

Waddi Wasi says:

Love and Family...maybe Harry will have a girlfriend and (I hope not) copulate in his seventh year :) I read that in a fanfic..just a thought. I hope Harry gets with Ginny, because of all the little hints.

Posted Jun 23, 2003 at 10:23 PM EST

Witch

House: Ravenclaw
Points: 558

Quagmire127 says:

Harry CAN'T die, because that would be evil triumphing over good, and we can't have that. I'm looking for Neville to have a bigger role, because I really like him.

Posted Jun 23, 2003 at 10:25 PM EST

Prefect

House: Ravenclaw
Points: 332

SoWeirdo18 says:

I love Harry's attitude in this book. He's such a smart ass! It's great.

Posted Jun 23, 2003 at 10:53 PM EST

Student

House: Ravenclaw
Points: 276

Sam 2 Sar says:

To Cheeser:

I was wondering how they got the map back from Fake Moody in GoF. Does any one have a clue. I scanned the book closely both times that Harry packed and there is no mention of the map.

Posted Jun 23, 2003 at 11:05 PM EST