Discussion: The 'Phoenix' files

Head Girl

House: Gryffindor
Points: 479

eclektic says:

virginia:
i think it was mr weasley who repaired harry's glasses aft it got broken following his floo powder episode. the movie showed hermione doing it which obviously was a mistake.

the part abt them playing with their brooms.. i think its more like u cant exactly use your wands and do magic. but since there's already a magical item provided for (eg a broom) u can use it.. er. am i making sense?

Posted Jul 5, 2003 at 2:34 PM EST

Head Girl

House: Gryffindor
Points: 479

eclektic says:

u know.. i wldnt be surprised if harry was a descendant of godric gryffindor frm his father's side.. i mean, im cross refrencing to the 2nd book; the chamber of secrets and it was him who pulled out godric gryffindor's sword form the sorting hat. dumbledore did mention that ONLY a true gryffindor wld be able to do that. well there are many ways to intepret what he said;

1. that a true gryffindor is measured according to his abilities and personality only. eg bravery, resourcefullness etc.

2. a true gryffindor measured through his lineage/heritage as well including point 1.
this wld be real interesting cos we'll see harry matching his gryffindor powers against that of voldemort's slytherin...

what do u guys think? also did jkr say smtg abt not expecting james and lily to have a great job for inheriting all those money? or is it just me hearing the mysterious spirits in my head talking?

Posted Jul 5, 2003 at 2:43 PM EST

Prefect

House: Gryffindor
Points: 340

Prongs1 says:

Plus Imperio, Harry would of seen Dumbeldore in the mirror (1st book) I don't think I said I believed it I just said it was interesting 4 people who belived it, In answer to your house cup issue I think I was just jumping to conclusions, Soz everyone. Fawkes

Posted Jul 5, 2003 at 3:28 PM EST

Muggle

House: Gryffindor
Points: 58

phoenixfeathers says:

Did JK name Hermione with respect to mythological significance? Isn't she supposed to have two lovers or something of the sort?

Posted Jul 5, 2003 at 4:53 PM EST

Squib

House: Slytherin
Points: 186

drad says:

This is all I have to say about book 5:

Harry Potter = ANGER MANAGEMENT

Posted Jul 5, 2003 at 5:41 PM EST

Student

House: Gryffindor
Points: 279

Abrez says:

any theories abt the next book?

Posted Jul 5, 2003 at 5:54 PM EST

Professor

House: Gryffindor
Points: 1106

Ima Quidditch Fan says:

TrueBluePotterFan - You make an excellent point about Harry becoming Head Boy. DD was listing his mistakes and it seems that he counted not making Harry a prefect as one of them... I believe Harry will be Head Boy in 7, but I also think that he will be prefect in 6 along with Ginny.

Posted Jul 5, 2003 at 5:56 PM EST

Professor

House: Gryffindor
Points: 1106

Ima Quidditch Fan says:

LaDonna - It makes sense that the new DADA prof will be a new character. Each book I have locked in on the old characters, and each time JKR has added wonderful new ones.

I have wondered if DD will finally reward Snape and put him in the posiiton. And the new teacher would be in Potions.

Althought if I were to guess about an old character, other than Snape, becoming the DADA prof.... I would guess Krum.

I think there is a reason that JRK kept his memory alive in OOP. He learned the DAs at his school, and has had a year to mature... also, he liked Hogwarts.

Posted Jul 5, 2003 at 6:02 PM EST

Chief Quibbler Editor

House: Ravenclaw
Points: 2926

The Obsesser says:

I am ane extremely stubborn person--I still stand by my thought that Harry will go back with the Time Turner to someone's death or other major event (yes, I know, that would be a lot of hours to turn back), but in the end, he will realize what he has now could be ruined by what he changes in the past, so he will just end up watching this event, and find out something very important toward his attutide.

About Quidditch--why is there only one spot on the team open? I thought that Katie was in the same year as Alica and Angelina and Fred, which means next year they're gone. Yeah, I can tell Ginny'll be a Chaser, she flies pretty well, especially compared to the other choices that showed up for tryouts. And either Ron or Ginny had better be Captain, maybe Ginny is a bit better. I have a feeling that Harry is a little too unreliable with his temper, (even though he was a great leader for the DA), and Ron isn't that great as a Quidditch player in general. No offense, it's just some people are better than others, LOL.

Movies--they're as good as you can get with movies, you know? I just really hope that they don't make the 4th one into 2 movies, that would be horrible...

Umbridge--I agree with you, Aravis, she is up to no good. And I'm still stubbornly worried about Fudge, and just because he's seen Voldy, how much will he really beleive?

Oy, as all of mine, this was way too long...

Posted Jul 5, 2003 at 6:27 PM EST

Squib

House: Gryffindor
Points: 166

SueB says:

New poster here! I’ve tried to read all 800+ comments but I’m certain I’ve missed a lot. Please accept my apologies if I repeat a theory or comment

After reading the comments I’d like to put my own thoughts to:

Neville vs Harry at “the One”: It’s Harry. The key to touching the prophecy is the “lifting off the shelf” bit. This was revealed as why Bode couldn’t do it. The DE’s could take it (as could Neville) once it was lifted off the shelf.

The Winter’s Tale vs Harry Potter books: I can’t agree with Arvaris et al, who say a Winter’s Tale isn’t relevant. I think JKR was yet again throwing us off the scent when she said the two stories were not connected. The increasing jealously of the King (i.e. Ron) is evident. In this case, I believe the “house guest” is Harry (not Victor) that causes Ron to be jealous. We’ve had this consistent mistaken assumption by several (Skeeter, Cho, Krum) people that there is something between Harry & Hermione. In the Winter’s tale, Hermione was never unfaithful. There really is nothing between Harry & Hermione except other people’s perception. Further, in classic foreshadowing, Hermione says Rita will be free to write horrible things “about Harry and Me”. Get it? Not about “Me” or about “Harry” but about the two of them. Too much of a setup to ignore. So, my thoughts are that, between some outlandish article by Rita and some witnessed “non-incident” by Ron, Ron’s jealously will result in something happening to Hermione. Perhaps she will go missing for a while (captured by the badies or something). In any case, in the end (Book 7) they will be reunited and (just like in a Winter’s Tale) Ron will confess his undying love and Hermione will forgive him. Again, apologies if this theory has been detailed before.

Snape’s inner torment: I presume everyone picked up on the way he shouted at Harry to not be weak or wear his heart on his sleeve. Clearly he was showing why he, Snape, took up Occulemency in the first place.

The Cruciatus Curse: A BIG deal. Hopefully Dumbledore or Lupin or someone else will convince Harry not to go down that path. I could see a great deal of time in this struggle for good versus evil regarding the impact on Harry’s essential being if he uses the Unforgivable Curses. Remember, Dumbledore insists that there are worse things than Death. Harry can get rid of Voldemort with the AV curse, we just haven’t learned how yet.

Foreshadowing the Great Chess Game: In case someone else didn’t mention it, during the chess game the night Snape came to tell Harry about Occulemency, clearly Harry was foreshadowing when he says to his castle “Squash him – He’s just a pawn, Squash Him”. In this case, Harry is the pawn between Voldemort and Dumbledore and the Chess Game is control of Harry’s mind. A bit obvious but it can be missed in haste.

My End Game Theory: Voldemort has a battle of the minds with Dumbledore (with Voldemort trying to possess Dumbledore). Somehow teaching Harry is involved with this opportunity. Harry is forced to engage in battle with the D/V entity and Dumbledore convinces Harry to somehow “kill” the two of them. This ends the existence of Voldemort, who only fears (but does not understand) death. To Dumbledore (the “well-organized mind” that he is) death is just the next great adventure. The only ticklish bit is the killing. Dumbledore wouldn’t want Harry to kill. There’s some plot twist here that has the same effect without Harry actually doing the killing.

Whew! Long first post. After reading so many comments, I had a lot to say. Please forgive the rambling.

Sue_B

Posted Jul 5, 2003 at 6:48 PM EST

Squib

House: Gryffindor
Points: 166

SueB says:

I'm not able to see my previous post. Please excuse me while I test again.

Posted Jul 5, 2003 at 7:04 PM EST

Marauder

House: Gryffindor
Points: 3954

jade says:

To Siriusella Molly and Arthur Weasley were older than the marauders she says so in GOF when they see Harry compete in the 3rd task they all go into that little corner chamber and they start talking about old times and how things have changed.

James is a pure blood Lily is a muggle born which makes Harry a half blood like Voldy and Dumbledore.

Posted Jul 5, 2003 at 7:30 PM EST

Animagus

House: Gryffindor
Points: 19544

Sirius-Ella says:

Ok, thanks guys for clearing that all up about harry kissing cho and, him being half blood....alos if jkr kills lupin in this next book I don't htink I'll be able to read the next one, cause isn't lupin, other then petter the only maruarder left? this will be devastating but not AS bad as sirius, and i didn't know dumbledore was a half blood...awesome Ig uess lol

Posted Jul 5, 2003 at 8:17 PM EST

Prefect

House: Gryffindor
Points: 340

Prongs1 says:

Yea I spose it could of been a joke muggle wizard, you know what those weasly twins are like, lol. just read back some of my messages I think I did say I thought harry was related to Dumbeldore, didn't mean to soz for saying I didn't, Fawkes

Posted Jul 5, 2003 at 8:28 PM EST

Marauder

House: Gryffindor
Points: 3954

jade says:

Molly and Arthur Weasley are older than the Marauders she says so in GOF when Harry goes into the chamber off the great hall on the morning of the 3rd task. James was a pure blood and Lily was muggle born which makes Harry a half blood just like Voldy and Dumbledore

Posted Jul 5, 2003 at 9:29 PM EST

Squib

House: Gryffindor
Points: 166

SueB says:

The Howler: Remember my last, Petunia. Does this mean "Remember my last letter to you?" "Remember the last thing I said in my letter to you?" Or something entirely different. The grammar there seems unusual. Any thoughts?

SueB

Posted Jul 5, 2003 at 10:37 PM EST

Snape's Woman
(Moderator)

House: Ravenclaw
Points: 5392

Prof. Andaxia Moonstar says:

I enjoyed reading Virginia's comment a little while ago about Snape. I also believe he has put up walls so no one can get close to him and so he can't get close to anyone else.

I also think that Harry's view of Snape's memory may not have been an accident. If Snape did indeed borrow Dumbledore's Pensieve (if could have been Snape's - Harry assumed it was DD's), then DD could have told Snape about Harry viewing the courtroom proceedings described in Book 4. It was mentioned that Snape used the Pensieve in front of Harry, instead of removing memories just before Harry got there. Why would he wait to do this until Harry was already present?

Harry probably got the Marauder's Map from Moody. The real Moody most likely found it in his trunk or other belongings, and from talking with Sirius and Lupin, learned what it was.

I still think that Harry is the Heir or related to the Heir of Gryffindor, though I don't believe he is related to DD or Snape. However, could McGonagall be a possible relative? It has been mentioned that very subtle clues are inserted into the movies, and in the first one, when Hermione shows Ron and Harry the Quidditch award with James' name on it, we can clearly see M. McGonagall on the same award. Granted, the date seems too recent for Minerva, but possibly her daughter?

Technically, Harry has more than half wizard blood. James was a pureblood, and Lily was from a Muggle family (that we know of), but was a witch. Harry would be a strict halfblood if Lily had been pure Muggle, with no magical abilities. However, it is easier to call someone a halfblood than a "slightly-more-than-half-blood. ' :)

That's all for now. I love reading everyone's theories and ideas. Keep them coming!!

Posted Jul 6, 2003 at 3:39 AM EST

Old Chortlebones

House: Hufflepuff
Points: 2601

Newt Scamander says:

Siriusella - The "thing" (yeah, I forget the name too) was spinning in the cabin on the Hogwarts Express because of Scabbers/Pettigrew. Obviously he was a bit untrustworthy, as their trust in him was the reason James and Lily Potter were killed.

Posted Jul 6, 2003 at 8:22 AM EST

Marauder

House: Gryffindor
Points: 3954

jade says:

Does anybody wonder what is going to happen to Kreacher? Does anybody have any therioes about what is going to happen to Grimmauld place, do you think it is still going to be used for the head quarters for the OOTP.

Posted Jul 6, 2003 at 8:54 AM EST

Squib

House: Gryffindor
Points: 166

SueB says:

Jade -- I was thinking of two options for Kreacher and Grimmauld place. Option 1 is that they become the property of Bellatrix or Narcissa as the nearest Blacks. With Bellatrix being on the lamb, she's not likely to be able to stake her claim. In this case, the OOTP HQ may be able to stay put or they may vacate for fear she has control over the place. You never know with magical houses, there may be some hidden secrets that allow only the "owner" to access the house. Kreacher would be free to run over to the Malfoys (with Narcissa). If Narcissa has control, then the OOTP is on the outs as she is not in Azkaban. Option 2 is that Sirius deeded the property to Harry as his Godchild. The place would probably not be his until 21, however, and be under some stewardship (Lupin?) until that time. Kreacher, however, could not possibly be "deeded" as his relationship is with the Black family only. The only way Kreacher hangs around is if Dumbledore has done something to control his comings and goings when he "persuaded" him to tell him about Sirius.
Clearly a rich treasure trove of plot material here. It will be interesting to see which way JKR goes. I'd be really surprised if she doesn't cover this somehow.

Sue_B

Posted Jul 6, 2003 at 10:01 AM EST

Squib

House: Gryffindor
Points: 164

Kadyak says:

Aravis - I understand your point about JKR choosing to make the DADA position a new character each time; you're right, it adds an element of uncertainty. However, the need for someone who really knows his or her stuff is too critical now, for one; for another thing, there was nothing wrong with Lupin as far as his teaching went. He was great, in fact. We don't know what Moody would have been like as a teacher - he never got a chance to teach. If I weren't so sure that Moody would be the best choice for MoM, I'd expect DD would put him in that role. BTW, I don't think DD would take the MoM position - it's too political for him, and the politics could easily impede his ability to get the real job done - fighting Voldemort.

Personally, I think Rupert Grint is a great Ron Weasley. Unfortunately, in the 2nd movie, everybody seems to be weighed down by Richard Harris' failing health. Snape is not as menacing as he is in the SS movie, for example.

Posted Jul 6, 2003 at 10:32 AM EST

Squib

House: Gryffindor
Points: 164

Kadyak says:

My wife thinks that DD's role as headmaster would preclude his teaching DADA, or any course. She has a definite point; at the same time, the deans of the seminary I attended also taught. I think DD would take teaching DADA before he would move over to the MoM position.

Posted Jul 6, 2003 at 11:01 AM EST

Squib

House: Gryffindor
Points: 164

Kadyak says:

Virginia - Yes, I think there is at least a potential inconsistency about the no magic outside of school and Hermione and Ginny's past use of magic. Of course, we don't know EXACTLY what the rule says. It would seem kind of odd, but perhaps the rule doesn't apply until you're in Hogwarts. That's the only thing I can think of. I am not even sure why they see a need for this rule, except in the case of it being in front of Muggles; therefore, it's hard to imagine what exceptions there might be, or what the scope of the rule is.

Posted Jul 6, 2003 at 11:09 AM EST

Prefect

House: Ravenclaw
Points: 361

LaDonna says:

O.K. someone told me to keep track of who says Voldemort's name. The person (and I have no idea where they got this) said it points to who all will be killed off. I don't have anything to rebuke her with because Sirus was on the list. So is Dumbledore, Harry, Hagrid and Hermione.
What do you guys think?

Posted Jul 6, 2003 at 11:21 AM EST

Animagus

House: Gryffindor
Points: 19544

Sirius-Ella says:

thanks pensive for your help on the spinning thingy, but HOW did Lupin know his name?

Posted Jul 6, 2003 at 11:28 AM EST

Animagus

House: Gryffindor
Points: 19544

Sirius-Ella says:

oh and another thing whoever keeps asking any theries on the next book, lol read the posts those ARE the theries/suggestions for the next one

Posted Jul 6, 2003 at 11:29 AM EST