Discussion: The 'Phoenix' files

Animagus

House: Gryffindor
Points: 19544

Sirius-Ella says:

oh and another thing whoever keeps asking any theries on the next book, lol read the posts those ARE the theries/suggestions for the next one

Posted Jul 6, 2003 at 11:29 AM EST

Head Girl

House: Gryffindor
Points: 479

eclektic says:

someone said smtg abt dumbledore appointing snape to the new DADA position. i honestly dont think that this wld be possible because jkr did say that the main reason why DD didnt appoint snape was becos he didnt want to bring out the evil/worse in him. and she did tell us that despite the other side of snape that we saw in the pensieve, we sldnt let our guard down on him. i agree with her. i mean, there's so much abt him that we dun know abt.

i dont know if this means anything, but snape is extremely talented in legilimency and occlumency which is helpful in his spying role for the order. if thats the case, how do we know for sure if the double crosser is not double crossing the good guys and DD since snape can prevent dumbledore from accessing his inner thoughts...?

i think that the movies were not too bad considering the fact that they had to re create loads of stuff that wld have been really difficult to do. i mean, with movies ur constrained by what u see on the screen but with books, u can let ur imagination do all the work. so its real tough to make smtg tt can re create the scenes in the book exactly.
i wld love to be an extra in the movie.... i dun even care if i dun get paid.. sigh.

siriusella:
dumbledore is half blood?! how do u know? where did i miss it?

cathaholic:
the thing that harry has IS love. thats why when he touched quirrell, he broke out in blisters and everything. DD said smtg abt how someone like voldemort and quirrell cant stand someone like harry who's all pure and who's mother's love resides within him.

ladonna,
u missed out lupin as well. i hope all of the above dun die. i wldnt be able to take it. not after sirius's death..

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Posted Jul 6, 2003 at 12:54 PM EST

Professor

House: Gryffindor
Points: 1106

Ima Quidditch Fan says:

SueB - Bravo and welcome! I am new myself... I agree with everything you said in your post. The EndGame Theory is impressive!

I take it you also feel that Harry will survive to be an adult, and not a killer...

Posted Jul 6, 2003 at 2:12 PM EST

Professor

House: Gryffindor
Points: 1106

Ima Quidditch Fan says:

jade - you stated that DD was a half blood? I never noticed that before...

Posted Jul 6, 2003 at 2:14 PM EST

Chief Quibbler Editor

House: Ravenclaw
Points: 2926

The Obsesser says:

Cathaholic--great one about the mibulus mibletonia (way wrong spelling, I know). JKR just doesn't do coincidinces. Which is exactly what makes me think that the Time-Turner will be used again. How else will Harry get all the questions about his parents death answered?

Speaking of coincidences, does anyone remember what you get when you add monkswood and wolfbane? The Draught of Living Death, introduced in the very first Potions lesson. I think this will obviously be really important, but in what, I'm not sure.

Sirisella--you were asking how Lupin knew his name. Did you mean Harry's name? If so, I think that Lupin would know the name of his best friends son, aside from the fact that Harry is so famous. And yea, I couldn't stand it if Lupin and all those other people who said Voldy's name went. Oh, and you would have to add Hermionie to that list.

Virginia--excellent point about Snape. For some unknown reason, he doesn't dare get close to anyone else.

Speaking of unknown reasons, don't worry if you can't see the post that you just posted, it's not your computer or connection or something, that happens with everyone too.

Dumbledore is half blood? It wouldn't suprise me if he is, but I half-blood, or the odd one out, most people in a situation like that would want to give a fair chance to everyone. But if he was half-blood, why would he have a wizarding brother? But I think it really doesn't matter who you are to appreciate that everyone is equal and to give them all a fair chance and trust them.

Which got me started thinking how Hagrid says "Trust people, he does. That's what sets him apart from other heads, see? Gives people second chances. He'll take anyone, as long as they've got talent. Knows they can turn out okay, even if their famalies weren't, well, all that respectable." He saw something in Sirius, right? I mean, how Sirius was nothing like his family, and turned out to be his own self, not just another member of his family. What if he saw something in Malfoy, too? Do you think that Malfoy might what kind of reputation his family is getting him? I mean, when he meets Harry at the end of #4 and #5, those actions made me doubt whether something good is in him at all. Do you think, that someday, even at the end, the school will be united? That the houses will see that they've all got something in common? Will Hagrid be right?

I was also just reading the review in the Wall Street Journal, and I want to quote this paragraph:

"He is, in short, a typical adolescent: angry to find out that the people he loves or respects are flawed, furious with himself to realize that he has misunderstood them and wondering what his place in the world will be."

I could restate everything I said before, but this board is already really long.

Posted Jul 6, 2003 at 5:53 PM EST

Animagus

House: Gryffindor
Points: 19544

Sirius-Ella says:

Ok, not to annoy any one abot the ron/hermione thing again but! I'm re reading the fifth book, and i thought it was an odd coininadence (miss spelled)...so anyway I'll Quote it.. Chapter Ten
Luna Lovegood
Harry had a troubled night's sleep. His parents wove in and out of his dreams, never speaking; Mrs. Weasley sobbed over Kreachers dead body watched by Ron and Hermione, who were wearing Crowns............Crowns...hmmmmm king and queen..any one find this interesting?

Posted Jul 6, 2003 at 6:18 PM EST

Muggle

House: Gryffindor
Points: 58

phoenixfeathers says:

Virginia, that was a good point about Snape. I agree. Is it possible that he might be afraid of bonding with other people? I mean, the fragments of Snape's childhood that Harry saw in the Penseive suggest a bad family situation.

Also, has anyone else wondered what would happen if Petunia died? Dumbledore's speech about Lily's sacrifice seems to hold a lot of importance. Dumbledore says that "while you can still call home the place where your mother's blood dwells, there you cannot be touched or harmed by Voldemort." So if Petunia dies, Harry would lose his only link to protection from Voldemort. And worse still, Dudley, presumably, would then be Harry's only living blood relative.

Posted Jul 6, 2003 at 6:22 PM EST

Squib

House: Gryffindor
Points: 166

SueB says:

Ima Quiddith fan - Yes, I think that keeping Harry from slipping into using the unforgivable curses (UC) will be a big theme in the future. There has to be a third choice between kill or be killed. Dumbledore repeated numerous times in the battle with Voldemort that there were worse things than death. DD never used a UC. It seemed certain he was not trying to kill Voldemort. It's still a mystery how DD thinks Voldemort can be vanquished. Even with the prophesy, I think DD would have neutralized Voldemort if he could.

This leads me to believe that there is some layers to the concept of "love" that is supposed to be Harry's special power. DD clearly expresses love for people, clearly has compassion, yet it is Harry, not DD who has the weapon to defeat Voldemort. Still looking for more clues....

SueB

Posted Jul 6, 2003 at 6:30 PM EST

Muggle

House: Gryffindor
Points: 58

phoenixfeathers says:

The prophecy never said anything about both Voldemort and Harry dying together. So maybe they do in a strange combination like when Voldemort used Harry in the "snake body" in the Atrium.

Posted Jul 6, 2003 at 6:37 PM EST

Professor

House: Gryffindor
Points: 1106

Ima Quidditch Fan says:

SueB - About the prophecy... on page 604 US, Firenze has just finished the first Divination class...

Harry's VP is that 'his priority did not seem to be to teach them what he knew, but rather to impress upon them that nothing, not even centaurs' knowledge, was foolproof.'

So, prophecy, perhaps is not without its faults.

Your thoughts?

Posted Jul 6, 2003 at 6:58 PM EST

Snape's Woman
(Moderator)

House: Ravenclaw
Points: 5392

Prof. Andaxia Moonstar says:

I definitely feel that we will see more of Kreacher and Narcissa in future books. Narcissa was mentioned first in Book 4 (at the Quidditch World Cup) and a little more was revealed about her in OOTP. Since her husband is now captured and a proven Death Eater, I see her becoming a formidable force.

I am very interested in what makes DD the only wizard Voldemort fears. What is their connection? I would love to hear some theories on this.

I was curious that Lockhart was mentioned in this book. I think that Rowling is setting him up for an important role to come. Yes, his memory is slowly returning, but he is still a very clean slate. He shared the same room as Bode (who was strangled by the Devils Snare), so we know Dark forces can access those patients (probably one of the nurses is a D.E.). I believe Lockhart may end up under the influence of Voldemort. The scene with him in OOTP would have been unnecessary unless it foreshadowed something.

I don't think Snape is actually working for Voldemort. He probably learned Occlumency as a way of distancing himself from others, and having this skill made it possible for him to become a spy for DD.

I am reading the series again myself, and I noticed that Rowling dropped another subtle hint for us. When Harry and Co. were at the Quidditch World Cup, and Arthur was introducing Ministry of Magic workers as they walked past, he mentioned BODE and Croaker as Unspeakables in the Dept. of Mysteries. Since Bode is now dead, I have a feeling we will be seeing more of Croaker as well.

Okay, this is getting a little long. Sayonara for now.

Posted Jul 6, 2003 at 7:06 PM EST

Squib

House: Gryffindor
Points: 166

SueB says:

Ima Quidditch Fan-- Ooohhh good point about the "nothing's certain." I doubt Harry will treat the prophesy as anything but fact -- it's kind of overwhelming for him now and he's not likely to see anything too objectively . With that in mind, the existence of the prophesy may make it "self-fullfilling" as Harry presumes he must follow it. Still, I think JKR has given a wonderful "out" for any possible outcome.

Good thoughts..
SueB

Posted Jul 6, 2003 at 8:31 PM EST

Marauder says:

This most likely has been said already but I'm not reading any posts to find out. According to people that have the "deluxe" edition of OoP, there is a rat outside of #12. If people look on the cover page of the US edition there is a rat i the grass by the tree, it look like smoke but it's there.
I believe that the whole Harry/Draco hatred will rise through the next book, even if Lucius Malfoy is freed by Voldemort Malfoy will never forget it. Im hoping for alot more dueling between them in the next book.

Posted Jul 6, 2003 at 9:42 PM EST

Garry007 says:

I think the whole thing about Harry not being able to properly curse Bellatrix with the Cruciatus curse is a huge deal. If, after witnessing the death of the closest thing he had to a parent, and not being able to have enough hatred to curse her, how is he ever going to kill Voldemort with Avada Kedavra (which must require loads of hatred)? I will post more about this tomorrow...

Posted Jul 6, 2003 at 11:40 PM EST

Student

House: Gryffindor
Points: 268

Tadhgain says:

Regarding the whole go back in time to save the parents thing, that could not happen...here's why, it may be confusing...

There will be two Harrys in this explanation, Baby Harry and Future Harry. Future Harry, let's just say he's 16. Well, FH comes back with let's say Hermione since she had the time turner in the book. #1, how would he find the house, unless he gets the info from Pettigrew? That's just ONE flaw. Now, this is where it gets tricky. Say FH and Hermione go back, they vanquish Voldy or whatever prior to his parents deaths, his scar would disappear would it not? Now, his scar disappears, but that's not all...he never lived with the Dursleys, he never went to the Chamber of Secrets, Sirius was never accused, he never competed in the Triwizard Tournament, come to think of it, now he has no reason to go back...there for FH would have never gone back...see what I'm saying? It's Space Time Continuum or whatever. If his parents never died, he had no reason to ever go back. Not to mention the shock his parents would be in at seeing him at age 16 when they're like 23 or 24(not really sure on their age). Not to mention, JKR said that we'd never see a live James and Lily and in the HP universe, JKR literally is God...And I'm done, sorry if I hurt your heads.........

tadhgain

Posted Jul 6, 2003 at 11:45 PM EST

Student

House: Gryffindor
Points: 268

Tadhgain says:

Oh, I totally forgot to mention Baby Harry....sorry about that, guess he wasn't needed for the explanation...but, yes! Like I said in the last post, his scar would disappear, BH would never receive the scar and consequently FH would not have the power to vanquish Voldy....oh I need sleep.....

tadhgain

Posted Jul 6, 2003 at 11:47 PM EST

Muggle

House: Gryffindor
Points: 76

Rosco161 says:

Tadhgain: I like the way you thought that one out... Very good. I did enjoy the book but I missed some of the action that the other books had. What I mean is that in other books Harry always had something else going on besides the ending. Book 4 Harry went through Dragons and other things other books we had Quidditch.
Overall Great reading....

PS I love reading everybodies post.... Some great ideas

Posted Jul 7, 2003 at 1:09 AM EST

Snape's Woman
(Moderator)

House: Ravenclaw
Points: 5392

Prof. Andaxia Moonstar says:

Just wondering . . . does anyone have any theories on what Bill and Charlie Weasley are up to?

Posted Jul 7, 2003 at 7:34 AM EST

Auror

House: Ravenclaw
Points: 2374

TrueBluePotterFan says:

Siriusella - As for Ron and Hermione both wearing crowns, I attribute that to both of them being named as prefects. Does this foreshadow a future relationship between the two of them? Only time will tell....

Posted Jul 7, 2003 at 8:29 AM EST

Wizard

House: Slytherin
Points: 533

dimtick says:

I've got a few comments and questions:
Question: Wormtongue- He seems to be a weaker wizard yet he has the power to blast a giant hole and kill 12 people (which was blamed on Siruis). Voldemort himself doesn't seem to have this ability?

I was actually betting that Dumbledore would be the one to die in Phoenix. Kind of the equivelant of Obee Wan dying in Star Wars. Now Harry would have to continue without his true "Gaurdian" and would have to learn and master his abilities on his own. Of course I can't see how to do that without taking things on a much "darker" path than Rowlings probably wants to go.

I read a comment about Siruis. My interpretation os Siruis is that he was dead before he feel through the arch after he was blasted with the abra kadabra curse. The archway seems to leave it open that Harry will find a way to go through it and bring him back?

As far a "Love Interests" go. I think that Harry will (should) end up with Luna (Quibler persan). Harry feels a kinship with her because she is also faces redicule, and she seems to be the only persan he can really talk to about his feelings. (not even Ron or Hermoine).

Are there any rumors yet about book 6?

Posted Jul 7, 2003 at 10:12 AM EST

Wizard

House: Slytherin
Points: 533

dimtick says:

Couple things I forgot:
About people being afraid to say the name Voldemort. My interpretation is that in the past anytime someone would speak out against Voldemort they would be punished by Death Eaters. Harry having survived so many attacks has no trouble saying his name and expressing his open hostility.

My other comment at the moment is that I hope Harry continues with the DA even though hopefully they will not be facing a hostile Ministry of Magic. I also hope that he will learn how to make the DA truelly act like an Army. There are so many example in the books of how much power the wizards have when they act together. (when the curse Draco & when they blast the book shelves). Yet it seems that wizarding is seen much more as a one-on-one mono-e-mono thing rather tahn a group activity. Much of Voldemorts power comes from his ability to control and direct others. Will Harry (as his nemisis) have the same ability?

Posted Jul 7, 2003 at 10:54 AM EST

Auror

House: Ravenclaw
Points: 2374

TrueBluePotterFan says:

Andaxia Moonstar - I believe HP5 addresses this issue of Bill and Charlie. It talks about them recruiting individuals to the good side. Such as foreign wizards in Romania and Goblins from Gringotts. Don't have my book in front of me, but this is what I recdall.

Posted Jul 7, 2003 at 11:47 AM EST

Marauder

House: Gryffindor
Points: 3954

jade says:

Andaxia Moonstar. Charlie is in Romaina he wanted to come back to be with the OOTP but Dumbledore said no because he could help recruit foreign wizards. Bill has left Egypt and is doing an office job so that he can help at the OOTP even though he says he misses Egypt he wants to do his part plus he has been "giving Fleur extra lessons" because she has an office job at Gringotts.

Cathaholic: Harry can't be an heir of Slytherin because Voldermalt is the last heir. It says so in COS.

Dimtik: The raeson why i think people don't speak his name is because of fear, he was the most powerful wiozard for years. Like Dumbledore says in one of the books i can't remember which he says fear os the name increases fear of the thing itself, and Dumbledore has never feared Voldermalt so he can say his name. He tries to encourage the rest of the people he knows to say Voldermalts name like in PS when he is on the wall talking to professer McGonagall.

Posted Jul 7, 2003 at 12:21 PM EST

Witch

House: Gryffindor
Points: 661

Flitterbloom says:

I have a question!! It may have already been asked and answered, but I don't feel like reading 871 posts to find out lol. So in the book there are 2 times that Tonks says "Wotcher, Harry" and another time outside St. Mungo's that it happens again. I'm wondering what this means.. does anyone know? The whole "wotcher" part confuses me. Is it a code, or what? Can anyone answer that for me?! Thanks!

Posted Jul 7, 2003 at 12:27 PM EST

Head Girl

House: Gryffindor
Points: 479

eclektic says:

flitterbloom:
wotcher is a sort of greeting. short form for what cheer.

Posted Jul 7, 2003 at 1:40 PM EST

Headmaster
(Moderator)

Cheeser says:

Speaking of unknown reasons, don't worry if you can't see the post that you just posted, it's not your computer or connection or something, that happens with everyone too.

I do believe I've finally fixed the page number bug. I visited HPANA as a mere mortal (not a moderator) on someone else's computer and noticed the numbers were completely off! You all aren't crazy after all! ;)

In any case, it should work perfectly now. Please let me know if there are any more problems.

Posted Jul 7, 2003 at 3:53 PM EST