Discussion: The 'Phoenix' files

Headmaster
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Cheeser says:

Speaking of unknown reasons, don't worry if you can't see the post that you just posted, it's not your computer or connection or something, that happens with everyone too.

I do believe I've finally fixed the page number bug. I visited HPANA as a mere mortal (not a moderator) on someone else's computer and noticed the numbers were completely off! You all aren't crazy after all! ;)

In any case, it should work perfectly now. Please let me know if there are any more problems.

Posted Jul 7, 2003 at 3:53 PM EST

Chief Quibbler Editor

House: Ravenclaw
Points: 2926

The Obsesser says:

TrueBluePotterFan and Sirisella--you guys were both talking about the fact that Hermionie and Ron were both wearing crowns in Harry's dream. You're right, it could have something to do with the fact that they are going to be prefects, or have a relationship, but you know what the crowns reminded me of? Weasely Is Our King. Now, what that would have to do with Hermionie, I have no clue. Maybe she and Ron will turn that song to her advantage or something? Or JKR meant it to have no particular coincidence, but that thought is very far-fetchted.

Andaxia Moonstar--Charlie is still working in Romania, but he's trying to recruit foreign wizards for the Order on his days off. Bill has gotten a desk job so he can work for the Order, and he's teaching Fleur english. I have a feeling (yes, another stubborn one) that the elder Weasleys will be very important in the plot of the next book.

dimtick--good point with the DA. I think that it unites the students a bit more. Even if they have a really good DADA teacher next year, they ought to continue it. I mean, there's no harm in practicing the spells that they're learning, and learning some more. It seems that they are united because they know that Voldemort is in power. But, as the sorting hat was saying, why is the school only united when they are in trouble? Why not all the time? Well, that seems to coincide with the US--why only AFTER 9/11 was everyone wearing American Flag t-shirts and sporting bumper stickers that said "United We Stand"? Why do we seem to have to go through a tradegy to realize that we need to unite? Why weren't we that way from the start? And everyone seems to be sterotyping. Slytherins aren't all bad. Not every kid in there has a relative that's a Death Eater. I really think that maybe some of them might be good. They might want to join the DA. And remeber, the more unity we can get, the better. They should at least be trying.

And yes, I am still sticking with every single theory I make and have made, even though a lot of people are trying to prove me wrong... and these things by me get way too long...

Posted Jul 7, 2003 at 4:10 PM EST

Order of Merlin, 3rd Class

House: Ravenclaw
Points: 1540

I l0ve sirius says:

What would happen if Voldemort gets a hold of a time turner in one of the future books? He could go back in time and cfix some of the mistakes that he made.

Posted Jul 7, 2003 at 4:29 PM EST

Wizard

House: Slytherin
Points: 533

dimtick says:

starting to back read a little

pensive (#828?) Fudge seems to be a steriotypical politician who is only listening to his "supporters" and not listening to the truth. He was also very influenced by the nasty newspaper articles (from GOF) and from Lucius Malfoy.

moonstar (#829). - I thought that Snape had his own pensive, and that he wasn't borrowing DD's (or vice versa). He seemed to use this as a way to the mind blocking. There is no way Voldemort (or Harry for that matter) could know Snapes memories if the memories were no longer in his head.

Posted Jul 7, 2003 at 4:31 PM EST

Jahboh says:

Sorry about the delay guys. But, I did add the chapters 26-30 analysis on my site! It can be found at:

www.geocities.com/jahboh (click on the blue flame)

Posted Jul 7, 2003 at 4:32 PM EST

Wizard

House: Slytherin
Points: 533

dimtick says:

something else I forgot to talk about:
early discussion about Harry's ability to do magic without a wand:
Animangus's do not use wands or verbal commands to change back and forth from their animal counterparts.
and in book 1 quirrel uses a verbal spell to attack Harry during the quiditch match. Spell must be something different since to use it you "must keep eye contact"

Posted Jul 7, 2003 at 4:40 PM EST

Auror

House: Ravenclaw
Points: 2374

TrueBluePotterFan says:

Cheeser - Post count seems accurate today. Great job on the site!!!! I really enjoy it.

Posted Jul 7, 2003 at 4:48 PM EST

Animagus

House: Gryffindor
Points: 19544

Sirius-Ella says:

o.k a couple questions...can someone POLEASE explain to me what "Wotcher Harry!" means? I'm pretty sure its been asked but I'd rather not search 880 comments lol..and anther things..what exactly is a squib? please tell me!! lol

Posted Jul 7, 2003 at 5:01 PM EST

Metamorphmagus

House: Gryffindor
Points: 37939

tonks black says:

Siriusella, a squid is a person who has parents who are a wizard and a witch but they themselves cannot do magic . So it is like they are an oddball raised in a family of people who can do magic but they never..inherited those genes, i guess you could say.

Posted Jul 7, 2003 at 6:17 PM EST

Metamorphmagus

House: Gryffindor
Points: 37939

tonks black says:

maybe the reason harry is so good at the dark arts is because each of his parents wands were good at something else. for example lily's was stated to be good at charms and james's was transfiguration

Posted Jul 7, 2003 at 6:38 PM EST

Marauder

House: Gryffindor
Points: 3954

jade says:

HGREENBACKER8705: i still don't think thats possible as far as we know Voldy has no other family, his mother died just after she gave birth to him and he killed his father and his fathers family in GOF. So i just do not see how that can be possible. If Voldermalt did have family would he not have been sent to live with them instead of living in an orphanage.

Posted Jul 7, 2003 at 6:52 PM EST

Animagus

House: Gryffindor
Points: 19544

Sirius-Ella says:

no one answered me about what "Wotcher" means

Posted Jul 7, 2003 at 7:33 PM EST

Marauder

House: Gryffindor
Points: 3954

jade says:

HGREENBACKER8705:I think Harry maybe related to Gryffindor and maybe James family was realated to Sirius as is said in OOTP that there aren't much pure blood familys left. I mean to Arthur and Molly are realted to the Black family so anything maybe possible.

Yes we have heard that Prewett name before i just can't remember what book that is in.

You come up with some very intresting ideas and it is true what you said about his mother. That Prewett name is going to haunt me now until i find it.

If anybody remembers where they have seen Prewetts name before please inform the rest of us.. so then i can sleep at night.

If you come up with anymore therioes please let me know cause i am on HPANA everyday

Posted Jul 7, 2003 at 7:38 PM EST

Marauder

House: Gryffindor
Points: 3954

jade says:

Siriusella: Wotcher means hello how are you doing.It is a British slang word.

Do you have any therioes about the book let me know.

I miss Sirius to.....tear...but i am sure we shall see him again

Posted Jul 7, 2003 at 7:42 PM EST

Marauder

House: Gryffindor
Points: 3954

jade says:

Beatrice M N: Imeant that we most probably will see him as a ghost or something like that. I hope we do. By the way that is the wrong sort of watcher the one she is talkng about is a British slang term which means hey how are you, or hey wha have you been up to

Posted Jul 7, 2003 at 8:01 PM EST

Professor

House: Gryffindor
Points: 1106

Ima Quidditch Fan says:

HGreenbacker8705 – Good theory, but I bet the order is a red herring. She did scream a couple of times before Harry got there. However, I think what is important about this moment is one, she includes Harry into her immediate family – his mother figure, and two, the statement of her worst fear… something happening to she or Arthur before they have a chance to make-up with Percy.

I believe that Percy will come back to the family, but Mrs. Weasley will be dead. I doubt that Mr. Weasley will die, because he will become the Minister of Magic. Probably, in Book 7. I am certain of it, because Ron joked on page 652 US about Gryffindor ‘having about as much chance of winning the Quidditch cup as Mr. Weasley becoming the Minister of Magic.’ Ron’s JOKES are always dead on.

(Also, I am not sure why I feel this, but here goes… gut feeling tells me that in Book 6 Percy may marry Penelope Clearwater, but not invite the family to the wedding… ultimate insult to a mother.)

Posted Jul 7, 2003 at 8:29 PM EST

Muggle

House: Gryffindor
Points: 58

phoenixfeathers says:

tadhgain, ahem, thanks for the explanation about why the time-turner can't be used. I can't believe I didn't realize all that before! That was really perceptive.

Gary0007, that's a very good point about Harry's inability to cast the Cruciatus curse. How will he kill Voldemort if he doesn't feel enough hatred? The only other alternative is Harry's death . . . what if someone else is forced to kill him while Voldemort is possessing him physically, like the situation near the end of OotP? I know this is really far-fetched, but it's an idea. After all, Harry's single thought during this "possession" was end it Dumbledore, this is worse than death.

HGreenbacker8705, I think the reason we didn't see Ginny and Charlie dead could possibly be due to Mrs. Weasley's confidence in their abilities to cope with the prospect of fighting Voldemort. Although we haven't seen Charlie for any long amount of time, he seems very authoritative and capable of taking care of things. And Ginny is beginning to gain these qualities as well.

Posted Jul 7, 2003 at 8:43 PM EST

Head

House: Ravenclaw
Points: 422

cho_1214 says:

hermione2006, that's a good point that dennis creevey was only a second year. i felt really bad for harry at the end when he just discovered the mirror. such a pitty that it shattered, that probably could have helped harry in the future if he needs to contact the order, or even use it to communicate to ron and hermione like sirius and james potter.

i honestly love sirius, i like the fact that he plays such a father-like role, although he needs to stay hidden. i cried when i read that sirius dies.

Posted Jul 7, 2003 at 8:48 PM EST

Professor

House: Gryffindor
Points: 1106

Ima Quidditch Fan says:

Does anyone else suspect Snape is a vampire?

Posted Jul 7, 2003 at 9:11 PM EST

Animagus

House: Gryffindor
Points: 19544

Sirius-Ella says:

OMG I just noticed HGreenbacker8705 that snape could possibly be a vampire...but wouldn't he try to attack his students?

Posted Jul 7, 2003 at 9:40 PM EST

Professor

House: Gryffindor
Points: 1106

Ima Quidditch Fan says:

HGreenbacker8705 - yes, the essay 'swap'... I totally agree! I think that part of the problem between Snape and James might be that Snape is a vampire, BUT it seems odd that James would then have a werewolf friend.

I wish that Rowling would do some more books like Fantastic Beasts.. one with Werewolves, and vampires. Oh, and one for Herbology so we can see if Neville's plant can cure memory issues... his seems SO much more clear. :)

OK, back to the Harry is heir of Gryffindor...
I love the theory that someone came up with of him uniting the houses! Very credible. I still think that Harry is guarded and watched as though he were very special - beyond 'the boy who lived'...

OOP, US pg. 837... DD has his 'talk' with Harry. He mentions that when Harry came to Hogwarts, he 'was not a pampered little prince, but as normal a boy as he could have hoped for...'

Posted Jul 7, 2003 at 9:47 PM EST

Professor

House: Gryffindor
Points: 1106

Ima Quidditch Fan says:

In GOF, Voldemort uses Harry’s blood… so, it reasons that he knows about the ancient magic used to protect Harry.

With war beginning, Voldemort will probably re-group and strike hard. If Aunt Petunia were killed, Harry could not reside in a home were his mother’s blood dwelled. Could he?

I bet Aunt Petunia is attacked early in Book 6. Perhaps if Vernon is caught in the cross-fire, Dudley will have to go to Aunt Marge... poor thing, I almost feel sorry for him.

HGreenbacker8705, good point about the stares!
(the eyes MUST have something to do with powerful magic - as Occuwhatsy and Legithingy are not that common)

I wrote 4 pages of theory today at work! I am eager too...

Posted Jul 7, 2003 at 10:15 PM EST

Virginia says:

Bear with me; its a long post...
1.theory Harry is actually related to all 4 houses, uniting them in his blood. Does not necessarily mean he is the heir to any of them other than G (as Hgreenbacker8705 says, which I found after I made my notes). The sorting had had a tough time between Slytherin/Gryffyndor, which supports this. Also, Petunia acts like a Slytherin.
2. Sorting hat song in OotP; we have taken this as a warning, but what if it is actually a prophecy? This supports #1, as does Harry orgainizing DA.
3. I do not believe the name Dumbledore's Army is coincidence, but rather the beginnings of reality.
4. I do not think Mark Evans is coincidence either.
5. Going with Kadyak's idea, could the DADA teacher be an auror we already know, like Kingsley?
6.Umbridge must go to Voldemort, if she wasn't there to begin with. P746 US Umbridge goes to use Cruciatus curse on Harry. "There was a nssty, eager, look on her face that Harry had never seen before." Too parallel to DE, must be where she is going. Also, in the forest just after, p 752, Harry's scar throbs, "not burned white hot, as he knew it would if Voldemort had moved in for the kill", and it does in a couple of other places when she is around.
7.The state in MoM foreshadows the allies, we already see the house elves @ Hogwarts, which is probably the largest gathering of them anywhere. They have strong magic, presumably the goblins, who run Gringotts, after all, do to, as well as the Centaurs. However, it is not an accurate portrayal either, so...maybe uneasy allies?
8. Weasleys are strong in magic. Look at the twins, they accio their brooms from the Great Hall, while said brooms are under lock, key and chains. I think the song is also a foreshadowing of Weasley is our king (MoM). As for the crowns, if my hypothesis is correct, then Ron will be with Hermione at the end.
9.Snape as a vampire-well, only if he is taking something to help him. He does, after all, referee Quidditch matches, as well as watch them. Figure if JK uses traditional vampire, he couldn't stand sun. However, could he be a bat animagus? Dumbledore could have helped him, in order to help him spy. Bats can fly and are nocturnal creatures. The DE seem to meet mostly at night.
10. Actually a question: the prophecy states twice that "he is born as the seventh month dies." Why? What thoughts?

Posted Jul 7, 2003 at 10:19 PM EST

Professor

House: Gryffindor
Points: 1106

Ima Quidditch Fan says:

Virginia - Well said! I totally agree....Ron and Hermione will be together.

Let me add this... as a firm believer in the Winter's Tale theory, I think Krum is a likely choice for DADA. He would be the conductor for Ron to act (or notice) his feelings for Hermione.

I believe that Harry will begin to have feelings for Ginny. (He confided in her and talked with her a great deal in OOP. They are both strong, and share interests)

I suspect that Mr and Mrs Weasley will not like the idea of Harry and Ginny, considering Voldemort would most likely go after people Harry cares for... I doubt they would ever voice an opinion to Harry, but he may overhear them talking about the way he and Ginny look at each other... yada, yada

SO, Harry and Ginny may be a bit secretive about a romance. Also, they may fear Ron's reaction.

Going along with Winter's Tale...
I think the Crowns on Ron and Hermione forshadow this. They do get togehter... Ron suspects Harry is acting strange - he will be, because he is dating Ginny, but Ron will missunderstand, and think Harry and Hermione have betrayed him.

I think Hermione will be hurt, presumed dead in Book 6 due to some action on Ron's part. BUT she will be all right in Book 7... Ron and she together, Harry and Ginny, and Mr. Weasley the Minister of Magic.

Oh, and the end of July??? Perhaps?
What are the dates for Neville and Harry?

Tonks seems a bit clumsy, but more so around Bill. I think that she has a crush on him. Are they ‘kissing cousins’?

Mrs. Weasley seems to fear Tonks' domestic abilities... I think it would be a riot if Bill showed an interest in her.

sorry for the long post...

Posted Jul 7, 2003 at 10:37 PM EST

Auror

House: Ravenclaw
Points: 2374

TrueBluePotterFan says:

Jade - The HP Lexicon only list two Prewett's, Fabian and Gideon. Sorry....

Posted Jul 7, 2003 at 10:46 PM EST

Virginia says:

Hgreenbacker8705 & Imaquidditchfan- I do think the Weasleys are strong. Mr. Weasley appears bumbling in a way, but have you ever tried to study something with which you are not familiar, have no books about how it works, no classes? Very difficult. Sort of like trying to figure out science in the 1800s. He is very concerned with his environement. All of the Weasley boys excell, at least at Hogwarts, Ron just lately. Ginny is the youngest, and we haven't seen too much, but then again, she is really growing during OotP.
The idea that Hermione "disappears" in book 6 is interesting, and wouldn't surprise me. The boys depend too much on her sometimes, and if she were to go, then they would be forced to deal with stuff without her.
Krum as DADA? What experience does he have which would make him get it?

Posted Jul 7, 2003 at 10:52 PM EST