Discussion: The 'Phoenix' files

Virginia says:

Hgreenbacker8705 & Imaquidditchfan- I do think the Weasleys are strong. Mr. Weasley appears bumbling in a way, but have you ever tried to study something with which you are not familiar, have no books about how it works, no classes? Very difficult. Sort of like trying to figure out science in the 1800s. He is very concerned with his environement. All of the Weasley boys excell, at least at Hogwarts, Ron just lately. Ginny is the youngest, and we haven't seen too much, but then again, she is really growing during OotP.
The idea that Hermione "disappears" in book 6 is interesting, and wouldn't surprise me. The boys depend too much on her sometimes, and if she were to go, then they would be forced to deal with stuff without her.
Krum as DADA? What experience does he have which would make him get it?

Posted Jul 7, 2003 at 10:52 PM EST

Virginia says:

Harry's birthday is July 31.

Posted Jul 7, 2003 at 10:53 PM EST

Auror

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TrueBluePotterFan says:

HGreenbacker8705 - Harry's B-Day is July 31, 1980. (SS - Chapter 8)

Posted Jul 7, 2003 at 10:56 PM EST

Student

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Tadhgain says:

Beatrice M N, Voldy, DD, and Harry are not the only ones who can do magic and spells without wands. Think about When Neville's uncle dropped him(can't remember from where) and he /bounced/. I believe even DD said that most wizards can do unfocused magic without wands....it's a matter of control. Voldy and DD seem to be able to control, Harry, not so much yet.

Posted Jul 7, 2003 at 10:58 PM EST

Virginia says:

OK, another thought. I can really see Harry getting together with Ginny. For one thing, the Weasleys would then be "family" irrevocably. For another, it would settle the boggart thing.
Luna Lovegood, on the other hand, has much in common also. I know she was just introduced, but I also believe that she will be instrumental in both 6 and seven, to saving Harry and helping defeat Voldemort (which may be the same thing). I'd love to hear what others think.

Posted Jul 7, 2003 at 11:00 PM EST

Professor

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Ima Quidditch Fan says:

Virginia - About Krum... he attended a school that taught the Dark Arts, under a Death Eater. He should really know his stuff. Just a thought. I suppose I am just really eager for Ron to tune into his emotions. Also, it seemed that JKR kept Krum in the story of OOP for a reason.

Yes, Harry's birthday is the last day of June (Isn't that JKR's birthday?) Is Neville's the same day? Just curious, because this could prove or disprove the Neville possibility.

Posted Jul 7, 2003 at 11:02 PM EST

Student

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Tadhgain says:

Ima Quidditch Fan, is Tonks related to the Weasleys? I mean I know all the pure bloods are inter-related, but is she any closer to the Weasleys than the Blacks?

Posted Jul 7, 2003 at 11:10 PM EST

Professor

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Ima Quidditch Fan says:

Tadhgain - Sirius is a cousin to Arthur Weasley and to Andromeda, Tonk's mom... it didn't say if Arthur and Andromeda were related. They COULD be cousins, but even if Arthur were related on the same level as Sirius, they would be minimum three generations apart.

I would love to see Harry's family tree, wouldn't you?

Posted Jul 7, 2003 at 11:15 PM EST

Professor

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Ima Quidditch Fan says:

Andromeda, I think (memory), is sister to Narcissa and Bellatrix... So, technically, IF Arthur is related directly to Andromeda and not just Sirius to each... Ron would be a cousin to MALFOY!

Ewe! Now, I so hope that Arthur and Andromeda are not directly related.

Hang on, didn't JKR say that she had to re-write a lot of OOP, because a Weasely cousin gave away much of the plot?

Posted Jul 7, 2003 at 11:26 PM EST

Student

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Tadhgain says:

Ima Quidditch Fan, Thanks for clearing that up. Oh, I'm DYING to know who Harry's related to. Do you think James was from a pure-blood family that happened to be more like the Weasleys than like the Malfoys or the Blacks?

Posted Jul 7, 2003 at 11:29 PM EST

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Prof. Andaxia Moonstar says:

Another random thought: What if Sir Cadogan (the mad klutzy knight who showed Harry where the Divination classroom was in Book 3) has an important role to play? We got a fairly good description of him in Book 3, and I can't imagine Rowling taking pains to develop him and never come back to him again. He WAS mentioned in Book 5, probably as a reminder to not forget about him. He seems like the kind of character who knows a lot, even though he seems incompetent. I wonder what things Cadogan could tell Harry! It seems significant that, even though a minor character, he is staying in the third movie.

Virginia - good theory about Harry having the blood of all four founders in him - I never thought about that.

I believe that there is another Heir of Slytherin out there, possibly Harry, but it could be someone else. It has been mentioned in Goofs sections of Book 2 that Rowling made a mistake when she said that Voldemort was the last ANCESTOR of Slytherin, when it should have said descendent. BUT . . . what if ancestor WAS the correct word? What if there is another descendent of Slytherin? We know nothing of Voldemort's mother's family. Did she have siblings that had children of their own?

Thanks to everyone who reminded me of what Bill and Charlie were doing. I am still on Book 4 and haven't gotten through Book 5 again yet. :)

Posted Jul 7, 2003 at 11:30 PM EST

Squib

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Kadyak says:

Regarding the Time Turner ideas - I think that using to go back to save Sirius and/or James and Lily is out of the question for all the reasons already mentioned, especially the time paradox problem, and even more especially because this just goes against the grain of JKR's writing.

Consider this question - Why is Dumbledore the "only one he ever feared"? The answer to that question might provide some insight into how Harry will be able to defeat Voldemort in the end. Whether or not they are kin, Harry and Dumbledore are kindred spirits.

We can almost bet on Mark Evans being related to Harry; but we should consider that by her own admission, JKR does throw in red herrings. In that case, the use of the name is a "deliberate coincidence." Figuring that Mark is related to Harry another thought comes to mind. Fudge says at the hearing that Harry is the only wizard in Little Whining. Does that mean Mark is a muggle? Good chance, given that Lily's parents were muggles. On the other hand, Mark is only ten-years-old, not old enough quite yet to attend Hogwarts, even if he is a wizard. BUT HE WILL BE IN BOOK SIX! If Mark is a young wizard, one might wonder why DD didn't point out this error in the Ministry's data. Dumbledore may well have known of Mark and deliberately concealed the fact for security reasons (a good idea given Umbridge's presence).

The idea of Harry uniting the houses in his own person is an intriguing one, and the Sorting Hat's song seems to support this theory. We'll see.

A side note: I think Scholastic is doing all of us a serious disservice by changing the text. Printing a small lexicon of British slang would be more efficient and the educational and cultural value would be much greater if we Americans had to read the British - including their spelling. As it is I am glad we are getting exposed to more and more of the British vocabulary. Does anybody know an easy, inexpensive way to get a British edition here in the States? Perhaps a Canadian source would be cheaper than a British source like Amazon.uk?

Posted Jul 7, 2003 at 11:36 PM EST

Squib

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Kadyak says:

Viktor Krum come to Hogwarts? The door was left wide open in GoF. As DADA instructor? Hmmm. I don't think so. I do think, however, that his presence would lead Ron to fight for Hermione's heart.

Along this same vain, I am really leaning toward Harry and Ginny becoming an item. Virgnia's point about Luna is a good one, but I don't see as strong a case there. There is much more to suggest Harry+Ginny. Needless to say, Molly and Arthur would be just delighted.

That leads me to Molly's Bogart. Yes, I think that what Molly sees will prove significant, somehow; especially the fact that she numbers Harry among the members of her own family (note her comment to Sirius in the argument among the adults about what Harry should hear). As I have said before, the relationship between Molly and Harry is not a one-way-street. Harry clearly loves her as a mother, and wants her in that role. I doubt he would admit to that - at first; however, losing her I think would prove to be a blow equal to the loss of Sirius, while losing Arthur would be less of a blow.

Is the mysterious reappearance of the Marauder's map an error? Could be. I suspect, however, that how it came back into Harry's hands was deliberately not explained. One might consider that itself a "mistake" in that it strikes one more like an accidental omission.

Posted Jul 7, 2003 at 11:54 PM EST

Professor

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Ima Quidditch Fan says:

Tadhgain - yes, I think James' parents were a wizard and witch... and according to Sirius, they took him in. They must have been great people. I wish Harry could find out. I think he (I know I do) needs a sense of history... where he comes from.

HGreenbacker8705 - Arabella might be Harry's godmother, but with Sirius passing, and DD being so forthcoming, I would think that he might have mentioned that. I hope so... I hope there is someone for Harry!

OK>>> with that said, here I go again, did anyone read the Ultimate Guide? They had an awesome theory about Lupin doing a switching spell with James... I wonder if they still feel Lupin is James.... I hold out a slim possiblity based on their evidence, and his reactions in OOP... also, JRK said we wouldn't see Lily or James alive.. (does that count in their body or another>?)

One more thought....
the two prophecies that broke before Harry directed the DA to break the spheres had partial quotes... something like, 'the solstace will bring anew..' and 'there will be no other'...

Does anyone have a theory on these?

Sorr, I just couldn't contain myself!

Posted Jul 7, 2003 at 11:56 PM EST

Squib

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Kadyak says:

Ima Quidditch Fan - Harry has plenty of people to give emotional support - and a sense of history (DD, Hagrid, Lupin, the Weasleys (all but Percy at this point), Hermione. In particular, I wouldn't underestimate the deep loyalty of the Weasleys.

Horizont Alley & Vertic Alley? That would be great, especially, as you say, if there's a tie in to Fred & George's new shop! BTW, I doubt Molly is fuming under the circumstances of Umbridge's tyranny, although they may have to take care of their NEWTs.

Good question about the prophecies that broke. No theories at this point.

Back to Harry's anger problem: I have said before that Harry will need to master his anger. I suspect that the next book will have this process as a central feature, with developing occlumency skills as part of the process.

Posted Jul 8, 2003 at 12:46 AM EST

Virginia says:

Pensive- I think this is an interesting theory. If Harry is going for an auror, then you may be right. However, Dumbledore has gotten Snape to do things before, why not this? Also, I think JK may have set up a new type of relationship coming since Harry has seen Snape's memory. Still, I think you have a point. Also, the knowledge that SS has directly from being a DE/spy may well be enough for him to get the position just because he is now the most qualified.

Posted Jul 8, 2003 at 1:12 AM EST

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eclektic says:

hgreenbacker8705:
jkr didnt make snape the DADA teacher becos she didnt want dumbledore to bring the worse in him. i thunk its the idea of how he'll be tempted even more by the dark arts (like quirrell?) and wld not be able to come back to the good side.
i agree with you abt the suspicions of snape being a vampire. there was this book abt exploring the secrets of harry potter or smth and they did mention that; the appearance, the essays given etc. definitely very interesting.
oh, i wonder if anyone saw this but one of the wizengamot elders who quit in protest; tiberius OGDEN, is it me or is ogden the name of the wizard firewhisky or smtg. 'ogden firewhisky?' was it mentioned in the earlier books?

ok, i am ranting already but jus one more point. dumbledore is supposedly at age 150. (ttts what jkr said) if the profesor who took the 5th yrs, professor marchbanks knew dumbledore when he was in school and in fact examined him, then wldnt she be like 180yrs old at least? how do wizards live that long?
and what abt DD being half blood? can someone tell me the evidence becos im having trouble believing that.. thanks.

i dun think that krum wld be the next DADA teacher. remember when hermione was sounding harry out abt the defense soceity that they wanted to establish? hermione said,
"he said harry knew how to do stuff even he didnt, and he was in the final year in durmstrang.."
it doesnt seem that he has the ability to conduct lessons cos he's not experiences enuf.

kadyak:
abt mark evans. ur right in sayin that fudge mentioned at the hearing that harry was the only wizard in little whinging. but i still dun know the possibility of him being a wizard becos i dun think they are recorded when they are at school going age. i have a feeling that wizards/witches are recorded the moment they are born..

Posted Jul 8, 2003 at 2:01 AM EST

Student

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Abrez says:

any theories abt the next book?

Posted Jul 8, 2003 at 3:58 AM EST

Metamorphmagus

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tonks black says:

does anyone know where James Potters parents are? I know this is crazy, but when is dumbledores birthday? If it was around the same time as harrys and voldie had read some part of the prophecy, maybe the reason he fears dumbledore is because maybe he thought dumbledore was the one mentioned. who knows how many times dumbledore defied him?also, i was starting to think since the wizarding family is so confusing and i think james was a pure blood, is there a possibility that dumbledore could be related to harry? also, maybe he is related to voldie. he could be like ther great grandfathers because of his age.

Posted Jul 8, 2003 at 8:30 AM EST

Muggle

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phoenixfeathers says:

Ima Quidditch Fan--that's a very interesting theory about the Switching Spells. As I haven't read the Ultimate Guide, I'm somewhat confused though? Could you elaborate?

Also, someone mentioned earlier that DD doesn't want Snape to get the DADA position because he would have too much power. I've always wondered why Snape wants this position so badly. It can't just be his interest in the dark arts because he would be teaching others to defend themselves. Could it possibly have to do with his experiences as a DE? Does anyone have any theories?

Posted Jul 8, 2003 at 9:24 AM EST

Metamorphmagus

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tonks black says:

Maybe snape has an unexpected love for DA? and thats why he became a death eater, so he could learn dark arts?and now he wants to teach it cause he knows so much?

Posted Jul 8, 2003 at 9:28 AM EST

Marauder says:

Im not sure if this has been brought up already, but according to Bellatrix a person doesn't have to feel hatred to do an unforgivable curse. The person just has to mean it. So to do the Cruciatus Curse a person just has to want to cause pain, and Bellatrix said something about Harry only causing her a little pain for some reason (if I missed somethig when reading can someone tell me).
I doubt that Voldemort will die from Avada Kedavra because he didn't die from it before.

I know a few people asked where have the Prewetts been mentioned before, but Im not sure if it was answered.
I think they were mentioned when Harry was looking at Karkaroff's hearing in DD's penseive, but I think they could have been mentioned in an earlier book too.

Posted Jul 8, 2003 at 9:56 AM EST

Metamorphmagus

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tonks black says:

i was on a website, reading editorials about predictions and one column was about fan predictions. one prediction i saw that was very interesting, im going to type it in here it seem to make sense and could very much affect the past. so heres it is.
"when Harry enters Snape's pensieve, while he was inside Snape's memory at Hogwarts, no one addressed Snape as either "Severus" or "Snape." Members of James's gang called him "Snivellus" or "Snivelly" every time. We didn't even see Snape's name on the top of his O.W.L. test. James called Lily "Evans," and did so many times. I began to wonder whether or not Snape was called Snape back when he was at Hogwarts. I remembered how Tom Marvolo Riddle used an anagram for his name when he sold out to the Dark Side, and I thought Snape, the former Death Eater, might have done the same. Imagine my shock and horror when I realized that the same letters used to spell "Severus Snape" can be used to spell "Perseus Evans." Now, Snape did call Lily a Mudblood, so they are probably not siblings...but perhaps half siblings, or cousins? I did some further research into the name Perseus and found that there is a constellation named Perseus, and also that Perseus was a figure in Greek mythology most famous for the slaughter of Medusa (Bellatrix Lestrange??). I believe that this is much too coincidental not to have some merit, and we could possibly find out a whole lot more about Snape and his background in subsequent volumes of this series. I hope you've enjoyed my theory."
That seemed interesting and im sorry for it being so long.

Posted Jul 8, 2003 at 10:06 AM EST

Metamorphmagus

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tonks black says:

Cathaholic- are you saying that not only does harry have the power of his mothers love, but when he got hit the avada kadavra his body built like..and immunity to it like it someone had a chicken pox vaccine, they would get chicken pox in them then be able to resist it?

Posted Jul 8, 2003 at 11:45 AM EST

Marauder

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jade says:

CATHAHOLIC: I remember JKR said that we should not expect James to have a high paying job because he inherited alot of money from his parents. Your theroy was very good though something to think about defiantly.

I do not think though that Harry is immune to some the thing you were talking about like the Avada Kedarva i mean look how deep down into the dark arts he had to go to be immune to it, but it is true that he could have atrait, but wouldn't JK have put some hints in the books, but her eyes are important but i have not got a theroy as to how yet.

Posted Jul 8, 2003 at 12:10 PM EST

Animagus

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Sirius-Ella says:

Cathaholic: I have no way to proove you wrong, I think alot of this could be true, but I'm no autority to say so..but it sounds good to me..

Posted Jul 8, 2003 at 12:12 PM EST