Discussion: The 'Phoenix' files

Animagus

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Sirius-Ella says:

Cathaholic: I have no way to proove you wrong, I think alot of this could be true, but I'm no autority to say so..but it sounds good to me..

Posted Jul 8, 2003 at 12:12 PM EST

Animagus

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Sirius-Ella says:

Ok sorry moderator about posting again...

Ok! I absoulty love your guys therios (ms)
alot of them make alot of sense..I think that
when we find out alot of stuff in year 6-7
and you guys are right we need to throw some party
or something lol. Anyway, I have to ponder about Snape
being a vampire...I absoulty think its possible..but
why would it be kept a secret so long..wouldn't lupin
have told them? And about the maruaders map...its really bugging you guys about who gave it back...I belive the real moody gave it back in book five as I am still re reading it and not found it yet but I remember the tiniest un-useful things I think that I am right about this. And at first I didn't really think the weasley parents were that importent until you guys pointed out how mrs weasley was combing his hair...it just touched my heart to see Harry having a mother and father figure in the weasleys although I hope she doesn't die...its kinda like Sirius going to the potter family when he had enough..thats kinda what harry has been doing....I'm sooooo excited about the next book even if Sirius doesn't come back..I wanna see how he does on his o.w.l.s and see what adventure they get into next.

Posted Jul 8, 2003 at 12:32 PM EST

Metamorphmagus

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tonks black says:

maybe snape is a vampire, but why would he have any reason to turn into one if he turns into it like sirius turned into the dog? if it was to spy on voldemort, would voldemort notice?

Posted Jul 8, 2003 at 12:41 PM EST

Marauder says:

Padfoot999-I completely forgot about that. I was always wondering why he had a triumphant glint in hs eyes. But I would rather see Voldemort suffer or die in some other way than Avada Kedavra.

Posted Jul 8, 2003 at 12:48 PM EST

Madam Librarian

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I-Pie says:

In regards to the Imperius Curse, Harry was able to throw it off almost immediately and with Voldemort applying it to him. Both Bode and Crouch were under it for awhile, in Crouch's case months.

I wonder why Harry is able to blow up Aunt Marge without his wand, but can/did not do something to Umbridge when his
wand was taken away. Also, why wasn't Umbridge arrested but let walk out of Hogwarts? I would assume setting Dementors on innocent people would be a crime.

Posted Jul 8, 2003 at 1:07 PM EST

Auror

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TrueBluePotterFan says:

I-Pie - I don't have my book in front of me, but at what point did Umbridge tell Harry about the dementors? Who else heard. It may have only been Harry and Hermione and they may not have passed that information along to anyone else in authority.

HGreenbacker8705 - I would like to see Lupin back, but I agree with Padfoot999. I do not think he will be back. Also just because Umbridge is gone, does not mean that all the laws she had passed are also repelled. Such as the one that makes it hard for werewolves to get a job. On the plus side, I don't think the word of Slytherin parents will carry too much weight; especially since several the fathers are now in prison as identified death eaters. Also I think that DD will carry much more weight with the parents now that he was proven to be correct and the MOM had to eat crow.

On the DADA teacher, I would have to agree with pensive, I do not think that Krum has the level of experience since he seems to know less than Harry. I think DD will bring in someone he trusts who has deep knowledge and will not only watch Harry but also continue the development of his skills. Especially if DD believes in the prophecy, then it is his responsibility to groom Harry for the showdown with Voldy.

Posted Jul 8, 2003 at 1:35 PM EST

Metamorphmagus

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tonks black says:

does anyone know if dumbledore is good at DA ? maybe he will be the teacher

Posted Jul 8, 2003 at 1:40 PM EST

Auror

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TrueBluePotterFan says:

tonks black - DD must be good at DA. Look at the end of OOTP when he battles Voldy. He certainly hold his own. But I still don't think he will based on information from my previous post.

Posted Jul 8, 2003 at 1:50 PM EST

Chief Quibbler Editor

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The Obsesser says:

Maybe I should be called the 'stobbornest girl in the world' or something like that. Anyway, here goes another long one:

Cathaholic--you were saying that the Potters might have been tring to find a countercurse for Avada Kedavra. Aside from the fact that we don't think they were working for the ministry, think about the concept of a curse that brings people back to life. For instace, look at summoning and banishing. They're counter-spells, and they work alone, or together. But then, things like jinxes, I don't suppose anything happens if you use the Jelly-Legs counter-jinx if the original one hasn't been preformed. My point with that was; if they WERE developing the countercurse, would it work on people who had been killed by Avada Kedavra, or all kinds of deaths? I mean, just think of how much chaos that would cause--even more than the Time-Turner. Everyone would want to bring their friends and relatives back.

For whoever was wondering about the Prewetts, the only time I remember hearing the name is when Hagrid is naming all the familes that were killed by Voldemort: "The Mickinnons, the Bones, the Prewetts, but you were just a baby, and you lived."

And for whoever else was mentioning the member of the Wizengamot who resigned in protest, it was Tiberius Odgen, like Odgen Firewhiskey, yes. And that headmaster in DD's office who said that "in my day, the ministry did not cut deals with petty criminals, no they did not!" when Fudge comes to expel Harry is named Fortescue. My first thought was Fortescue? Like the ice cream parlor, and the guy who owns it, who helps Harry with his homework about midevil witch burnings in the third book? But isn't he still alive? Maybe it's his ancestor or something...

And about the prophecy--didn't DD explain it to Harry in simpler terms--that thrice defied meant that they escaped V three times? It would make a lot of sense though, considering that the Longbottoms are Aurors and all of them were in the Order, that they had both escaped/challenged/defied/worked against V three times. Did that make any sense to anyone?

Posted Jul 8, 2003 at 1:56 PM EST

Prefect

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Points: 377

jamesthom says:

i hope the clue i have just read in book five does not mean what I think it does. who wants to know?

Posted Jul 8, 2003 at 2:02 PM EST

Metamorphmagus

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tonks black says:

jamesthom- what clue did you find?

Posted Jul 8, 2003 at 2:05 PM EST

Auror

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TrueBluePotterFan says:

jamesthom - well post it. We're all waiting.......

Posted Jul 8, 2003 at 2:07 PM EST

Chief Quibbler Editor

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The Obsesser says:

I-Pie--I know that sometime Umbridge told Harry that she sent the dementors to Privet Drive, but can't remember where, and I'm sure there wasn't anyone else in the room. I'm not sure if anyone knew, but I have a feeling DD guessed, although she's probably not going to be sent to Azkaban or anything. I mean, Fudge is already having a hard time admitting that he was wrong and DD was right, so do you think that he's going to agree to arrest his senior assistant, too?

I think the reason Bode was able to throw off the Imperius Curse was that he was trying to grab the prophecy, and of course, you can't grab it off the shelf without having some kind of injury unless it concerns you, which is what V found out when the curse broke. The spell on the prophecy must have been more powerful. And something to add on--both Crouches were under the Imperius curse for months before they started to resist it. Although the curse put on Harry just to say no from V in #4 might not have been as powerful, he broke it right away, and he's not even a full wizard yet. Imangine what he will be like if he lives to complete his schooling...

Also, I-Pie, on the issue of blowing up Aunt Marge without his wand, and nothing happened to Umbridge. First of all, I'm not sure that Harry was as personally angry, or maybe he was, and it was more of a gradual angry. Also, maybe the fact that Umbridge is a witch makes it a lot harder to injure her without a wand.

You know how Bellatrix said that you had to mean to do an Unfogiveable Curse, that you had to enjoy tourturing or killing or controlling someone? Shouldn't it have made DD suspicous when Crouch Jr. aka Moody did it on the students? I mean, then wouldn't he have been enjoying controlling them? And didn't Sirius say that Moody never descended to the level of Crouch--that he never killed if he had to; always brought in people alive if possible? So why didn't DD suspect anything? I know it's over now, I'm just wondering...

Posted Jul 8, 2003 at 2:13 PM EST

Prefect

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jamesthom says:

when Harry and the gang were cornered 2 prophecys smashed. but you could only hear some of what was said.
part one "at the solstice will come a new"
part two "and none will come after"
the last book was Reliesed on the solstice. I hope not for the second part.

Posted Jul 8, 2003 at 2:13 PM EST

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The Obsesser says:

jamesthon... we're all waiting... i think this might be my first one line post... ahaha

Posted Jul 8, 2003 at 2:14 PM EST

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The Obsesser says:

jamesthon--wasn't that mentioned before? is there summat new you think it could mean?

Posted Jul 8, 2003 at 2:15 PM EST

Chief Quibbler Editor

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The Obsesser says:

hmm, since that is a coincidence between the books and real life, i dunno if it fits... i mean, i think that the publishers decide when to release the book... and i'm sure that JKR was not planning to relase it on June 21 when she wrote that. but i do think that it will be important. maybe we will find out the whole of those prophecies later...

Posted Jul 8, 2003 at 2:17 PM EST

Madam Librarian

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I-Pie says:

Umbridge admitted to sending the Dementors after Harry in her office before Harry, Hermione, Luna, Neville, Ron, Ginny and the members of the Inquistional (sp) Squad. This was after she caught Harry using her fire and was thinking of using the Crucatious (sp) curse on him.

Posted Jul 8, 2003 at 2:33 PM EST

Metamorphmagus

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tonks black says:

if harry was to tell what umbridge did, would she get sent to azkaban or would harry because fudge would think he was lying? and if mr. weasley became the minister, would he get payed? cause if not his family would be in alot of trouble.

Posted Jul 8, 2003 at 2:40 PM EST

Metamorphmagus

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tonks black says:

also, about the clue. if there was not to be another to come, wouldnt harry of died in OoP?

Posted Jul 8, 2003 at 2:41 PM EST

Head Girl

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eclektic says:

oh guys this is real interesting for those of you speculating that voldemort wldnt be able to die from the avarda kedavra. if u look at the 4th book we have voldemort who was restored to his previous body. what we see as well is the fact that he was not able to gain immortality; his chances thwarted by harry himself when the philosopher's stone was destroyed.
voldemort says:'but i was willing to embrace MORTAL life again before chasing immortal. i set my sights lower... i would settle for my old body again and my old strength.'
i mean, from here we see that he was never immortal to start out with. he did not get the philospher's stone and the extent of his power during his reign only allowed him to continue his existence as a shadow of his former self if you will when the curse rebounded on him as he tried to kill baby harry. but since his return, we realise that he is mortal which allows his destruction to be done more easily. im not saying that it'll be easy but easier..

strawbreez girl:
i totally got the fortescue thing and the firewhiskey too. i love it how jkr leaves all these connecting clues to the other books. its fun cross refrencing everything..

Posted Jul 8, 2003 at 2:52 PM EST

Metamorphmagus

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tonks black says:

i agree eclektic. it is interesting how she leaves the clues connecting books an by the time your done the first chapter, you can wait for the next book!

Posted Jul 8, 2003 at 2:55 PM EST

Auror

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TrueBluePotterFan says:

strawbeez - As for Fortescue being a headmaster and in a picture in DD's office, who says you have to be dead? We certainly know that we've seen moving pictures of Sirius, DD, Moody, and Wormtail; they're certainly not dead. Also I doubt you have to stay as Headmaster until your dead. But nice work on picking up on the name. Knowing JKR, their bound to be related if not the same person.

Posted Jul 8, 2003 at 3:09 PM EST

Head Girl

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eclektic says:

for those who think that the bartender in hogs head might be dumbledore's brother aberforth:
i have to admit, i was really sceptical abt the speculation that the above might be so.. i mean, i didnt think that the goatish smell of the bar was reason enough. but i think that this wld be added evidence that wld really get the cynics to believe otherwise; as it did to me..

'he was a grumpy looking man, with a great deal of long grey hair and beard.(hmm.. as opposed to DD's silvery beard? cld he be younger?) He was tall and thin and looked vaguely familiar to harry'
it sounds so much like dumbledore!

im also responding to posts that was done a long time ago abt the gift that harry received from sirius and lupin. some book abt defence against the dark arts. some pple were suspicious abt why they had to share a present but i believe its due to a question of practicality. if u remember, umbridge had passed this legislation abt werewolves and consequently made it harder for them to gain employment. even harry remarked at how shabby lupin's robes were since the year he taught at hogwarts. i think they shared it cos lupin didnt really have money for harry's present..

Posted Jul 8, 2003 at 3:21 PM EST

Metamorphmagus

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tonks black says:

i was thinking, and doesnt mcgonagall turn into a cat? is it possible that is some relation to crookshanks?

Posted Jul 8, 2003 at 3:26 PM EST

Madam Librarian

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I-Pie says:

In reference to the moving pictures, I think their is a
difference between photographs and paintings. We have people in the paintings moving around to visit other places and paintings and talking to the living. They also seem to know what is going on in the current time period even if they have been dead for awhile. The people in photographs move but do not communicate with the people viewing them. If they did Harry would have been able to talk to his parents and Sirius.

Posted Jul 8, 2003 at 3:26 PM EST