Discussion: The 'Phoenix' files

Madam Librarian

House: Gryffindor
Points: 13203

I-Pie says:

In reference to the moving pictures, I think their is a
difference between photographs and paintings. We have people in the paintings moving around to visit other places and paintings and talking to the living. They also seem to know what is going on in the current time period even if they have been dead for awhile. The people in photographs move but do not communicate with the people viewing them. If they did Harry would have been able to talk to his parents and Sirius.

Posted Jul 8, 2003 at 3:26 PM EST

Marauder says:

eclektic- but if you also look at what Voldemort says he mentions that at least one of his spells or whatever had worked so that meant he probably did something to protect himself from Avada Kedavra or a "mortal death" as he puts it

Posted Jul 8, 2003 at 3:30 PM EST

Metamorphmagus

House: Gryffindor
Points: 37939

tonks black says:

James - I agree with you. If i was a murderer like voldemort was, the last thing i would want was all the people i have killed to come around and surround me. that would seem worse than death because you had wanted to get rid of them for a reason.

Posted Jul 8, 2003 at 3:39 PM EST

Student

House: Gryffindor
Points: 268

Tadhgain says:

Jamesthom, I already noticed the whole solstice thing the first time I read and for those that didn't understand, I think he was pointing out that the book was released on the Summer Solstice and the two prophecies said something to the effect of at the solstice a new one will come(but worded better) and there will be no more. So that would mean a new book on the solstice and no more after that....that can't happen though, #1 Harry's still alive, #2 JKR signed a book deal for 7 books, not 5.

Posted Jul 8, 2003 at 5:18 PM EST

Witch

House: Gryffindor
Points: 661

Flitterbloom says:

#1000!! Woohoo! Sorry just had to do that. I wrote a hge long post about my thoughts on this but the second I hit post it said I crashed the internet (great) so it didn't post!! I'll have to write it all up again later!

Posted Jul 8, 2003 at 6:00 PM EST

Auror

House: Gryffindor
Points: 2303

padfoot5312 says:

I don't know it this has been asked before.

With Sirius dead, is Kreacher (house elf) in the Black house, is he still bound to keep the secrets of the house or can he tell Sirius relatives what's going on? Any thoughts on this.

I don't understand why Harry can't animagus. His dad was.

Posted Jul 9, 2003 at 1:11 AM EST

Professor

House: Gryffindor
Points: 1106

Ima Quidditch Fan says:

phoenixfeathers - Jamer Potter is Lupin theory

(from the Ultimate Guide - great book, you should get it... though I wonder if they are still so convinced on this one)

Based on legend of brother Romulus and Remus...
Remus was killed by his brother's followers.

Thus the theory goes, Remus Lupin and James Potter did a Switching Spell for extra precaution... and Remus (as James) was killed by Wormtail. NOTE: Lily's wand is good for this.

I had my own theories about this prior to Book 5, now I am not so sure...
Some possible hints are:
- Lupin has no hesitation about what James would think, do and say
- At the Shreiking Shack Lupin says "Now that we all could transform" instead of 'they all could transform"... BUT Lupin does transform into a werewolf.. so~
-Several reactions from Lupin in Book 3 are odd - "You heard James?" in and odd voice... maybe because he knew it was not, or maybe because it was his friend.
- Lupin talks to Harry as if he already knew him, and did not look at or mention the scar or how he looks like his father or mother.
- Lupin's reactions to hearing Harry talk about hearing his mother' voice, is that he goes pale... or seems weak
- Later every word seems to cause him pain...

After Book 5 though, as I said in earlier post... I wonder why when Harry really needs his father would he continue with this. I understand that He may be trying to look out for Harry by keeping his distance and watching... but that part bothers me. Also, why wouldn't he tell Sirius?

JKR says that Lupin is one of her favorite characters, and that it was because of him she felt she needed to write Book3. I have also read somewhere that she compairs Lupin being a werewolf to a disabled person. Not sure?

Anyway, this is the theory. I would LOVE Harry to have his dad... even in another body.

Enjoy!

Posted Jul 9, 2003 at 1:16 AM EST

Auror

House: Gryffindor
Points: 2303

padfoot5312 says:

I feel that Hagrid was distant to Harry, but he's trying to get his brother to talk and not be so aggressive. I feel he was putting all his focus on his brother, his family

Posted Jul 9, 2003 at 1:40 AM EST

Auror

House: Gryffindor
Points: 2303

padfoot5312 says:

LaDonna...good theory on Hermione's otter patronus! On this I think I read somewhere that jk like otters.

Posted Jul 9, 2003 at 1:50 AM EST

Head Girl

House: Gryffindor
Points: 479

eclektic says:

james:
yeah, i agree with you abt where there are worse things than death itself. when DD said it to voldemort, i was wondering what it cld be.. great theory abt him getting 'tortured' by the pple that he had killed before. eternal torment and punishment seems like hell on earth itself. scary..

ima quidditch fan:
i spent an entire day in my local bookstore reading that book... (was too poor to buy one) im not a believer yet abt the switching spell done to james and lupin. i mean, for one thing looking at the situation that all of them are in, shouldnt lupin/james reveal his true identity? and shouldnt DD himself suspect smtg? i mean, he is good at legilimency himself.

i was just thinking, perhaps the reason why harry was never or is not an animagus yet cld be due to the fact that he never really had the neccessity to become one. i mean, we already see that he is able to hold his own fort against the darkest of all wizards already. i think its cool tho if he really is able to become animagi. i wonder what he'll transform into, since the kind of animal they change into is unique to the wizard himself. cld it be like the choosing of the wand? the wand chooses its master and summat like that?

Posted Jul 9, 2003 at 2:27 AM EST

Auror

House: Gryffindor
Points: 2303

padfoot5312 says:

I don't see harry as an auror.

Posted Jul 9, 2003 at 2:29 AM EST

Virginia says:

RE: DADA teacher 1) DD would make a good one; he defeated Grindelwald back in 1945, didn't he?
2)Lupin-perfect choice--JK has already laid the ground work a)DD brought him in before b)he should have TONS of support now (can't do anything wrong idea) c)Think, what is DD (so read that JRK) priority? Is it being headmaster, Harry, DA (which will play a huge roll somewhere in the next 2 books, I believe).
3)pg 747 US Umbridge admits to letting dementors loose. Someone already listed who was present, so I won't. She must go to Voldemort now, if she weren't already. Also around page 747-748, she puts Snape on probation for "not cooperating" by giving her more Veritaserum, and says that L Malfoy holds Snape in high respect. She may actually be working under an Imperius curse, but she is Dark thru & thru. Where else can she go? Also, does the scar in the back of Harry's hand (pgs 330 and 386 again mention it) also act as a kind of warning? I think we'll be hearing more about that scar.
4)Interesting theory re: Lupin/Potter switch. It is still possible. If she gets too much flack about Sirius death, could it be Black/Lupin switch (just popped into my head). I am not convinced either way, although good point about the wand.
5)Kreatcher never actually lied to Harry just before Umbridge caught him. He says that Sirius is not there (could be stated as not in the room as obfuscation) and only states (pg 741 US) that "Master will not come back from the Dept. of Mysteries." However, the fact remains that Kreatcher is likely to not be bound to #12 anymore, even if he were still bound to the "Black" family. This is going to pose a major problem. I do not think that they can use it anymore.

Posted Jul 9, 2003 at 2:57 AM EST

Head Girl

House: Gryffindor
Points: 479

eclektic says:

padfoot5312:
why not? i think harry would be great as an auror. he is highly skilled at defense against the dark arts and that is definitely an asset. (think abt all the things he's done) i dont know if he can become one eventually, looking at his potions abilities and judging by the fact that snape only accepts outstanding students, but if he does become one, it'll be fantastic..

Posted Jul 9, 2003 at 2:59 AM EST

Head Girl

House: Gryffindor
Points: 479

eclektic says:

sorry, jus thought abt this..
some pple have been asking abt kreacher now that he's not bound to sirius and what wld happen to the headquarters. it states in the book that dumbledore is the secret keeper of the order and unless he himself tells someone abt the location of grimmauld place, voldemort can be staring outside the window fo the headquaters and yet still not know that it is there. so if this is the case, then kreacher himself wld not be able to divulge the location of the place. however, he may be able to provide other information abt the pple there.
remember how he told narcissa abt the fact that harry is the most important peson in sirius's life and they used this info as a bait for harry to get into the MOM? so kreacher himself is a definite disadvantage to the order.

sorry, this is getting long, but another thought.
i was wondering abt the ple in the order, its members so to speak. nothing as been said abt the professors in hogwarts (besides macgonagall and DD obviously) being members of the pheonix. they definitely are very loyal to DD and they believed harry's story abt voldemort being back from the 4th bk, so sldnt they be in the order as well? judging by their extensive magical knowledge and experience, they definitely are assets.. any theories?

sorry for the long post again..

Posted Jul 9, 2003 at 3:09 AM EST

Auror

House: Gryffindor
Points: 2303

padfoot5312 says:

eclektic says: why not? i think harry would be great as an auror
This is why I think it is not the best choice
Hermione called his "saving others" problem, his stubbornness, his pride, his unwillingness to accept other points of view when his mind is made up, disregarding advice/orders he knows are in his best interest, etc. His realization that his rushing in to trying and "save the day" contributed to Sirius's death strikes an immense blow to his psyche and self-esteem.

Posted Jul 9, 2003 at 3:30 AM EST

Prefect

House: Gryffindor
Points: 377

jamesthom says:

Now Harry has heard the prophecy can't Voldamort read Harry's mind and find out what it said.

Posted Jul 9, 2003 at 7:29 AM EST

Prefect

House: Gryffindor
Points: 377

jamesthom says:

in book 2 on of lockharts books says about a spell that someone use to cure a werewolf. can this spell be used to cure lupin? I now lockhart did not carry out this spell but he did steal the story from someone.

Posted Jul 9, 2003 at 7:38 AM EST

Metamorphmagus

House: Gryffindor
Points: 37939

tonks black says:

eclektic-DD and mcgonagall are not the only order members.snape is also in the order because when he was in the room with umibridge, ron, hermione and the inquisital squad when snape was supposed to bring veritasm(dont mind my horrible spelling)harry yelled to snape harry had thoughts in his mind that snape was in it.also, if harry turned into a animagi could it possibly be a lion since that is the gryiffdor animal?or it could maybe be a dog(like sirius) or a stag(like his patronous?)

jamesthom-it is possible that voldemort could get into harrys mind and read the prophecy.but, i personally think harry will grow and become more like hermione. if you think about it, if you had never knew your parents and you finally met your godfather who was your dads best friend, wouldnt you change your point of veiws and become stronger after you lost him?also, i think it is possible that dumbledore may start teaching harry occlumency if snape wont teach it. and it snape did teach it, he would throw everything he had at harry which would be great practice

Posted Jul 9, 2003 at 8:49 AM EST

Head Girl

House: Gryffindor
Points: 479

eclektic says:

tonks black:
ur right abt snape(i forgot abt him) but i was thinking more along the lines professor sprout and flitwick? i mean, they are very supportive of harry. remember when his article in the quibbler came out and they gave him 20points to gryffindor and a box of sugar mice respectively? jus a thought anyway..

witchyways:
i agree with you abt harry becoming an auror. true he has certain personality disorders so to speak but we also realise that fundamentally, his saving pple streak is exactly what is needed to become an auror in the 1st place. i think that he's still young and that he should harness his recklessness and haste. i think thats his archilles heel. if he does that successfully, then he'll become a better person then he already is.

i agree with some of u who said that hermione might be hurt in some way in book 6. not being pure evil or anything but i do think that she has provided a LOT of help to harry and ron. she's like the lone voice of reason and truth and i really wonder if harry wld be able to hold on his own if she had'nt provided such numerous insights..

Posted Jul 9, 2003 at 9:27 AM EST

Metamorphmagus

House: Gryffindor
Points: 37939

tonks black says:

its true the hermione has helped them getting places and finding out ways to get in, but hasnt ron helped? in the first book be sacrificed himself on the chess board? in PoA, wasnt ron injured and he was the first one under the whomping willow(im pretty sure it was him but correct me if im wrong) im not saying that hermione doesnt help alot, but personally i think harry and ron could manage one situation on their own. but dont get me wrong, i do give hermione credit for being helpful.

Posted Jul 9, 2003 at 9:36 AM EST

Squib

House: Slytherin
Points: 142

Mad-Eye says:

Hey! First time poster here. I finished reading the book inside 48 hours and I am very impressed with it. I have also read most of the comments on this board and some of the theories are really interesting.

I would like to hear people’s thoughts on the reason that James and Lily Potter’s wands are never seen. Why weren’t they collected after their murder and given to Harry as a reminder or he could have used his fathers wand like Neville used his fathers. I know the wand chooses the wizard but Harry may still liked to have had it as some sort of memorabilia. Maybe the wands were buried with the bodies?

Did anyone else note that JK is consistent with her flower themes? There is Petunia, Lily and Fleur which translates as flower. Also ‘Privet Drive’- Privet also has something to do with flowers. I just thought it was an interesting point. What does everyone else think? Does it have a deeper meaning?

Sorry for the long post

Posted Jul 9, 2003 at 10:16 AM EST

Metamorphmagus

House: Gryffindor
Points: 37939

tonks black says:

Mad-Eye - depending on what spell voldemort used to kill lily and james potter, their wands could of been destroyed when they were killed. also, i think lily and petunia have flower names because they are sisters,but it could be true that the people with flower names will play a big huge role in the next two books.

Posted Jul 9, 2003 at 10:31 AM EST

Auror

House: Gryffindor
Points: 2303

padfoot5312 says:

Kadyak says: about DUMBLEDORE being a DADA teacher.

I don't think this will happen. He has to much to do. He enjoys being the Head of Hogswarts. I agree with DRU587 says: that Dumbledore will not be the Minister of Magic.

Aravis says: DADA professor will be a new character. I agree with this statement. Jk always brings in a new charater for this post in all 5 books.

Kadyak says: Percy Weasley he'll eat crow and return to his parents I feel also that Percy will return to his parents.

Kadyak on the subject of Petunia being a Squib - this can't happen as the family was mudblood.

Owlpost: I don't think that Harry will get Head Boy. Agree that Harry has to much on his plate. He needs to work harder on his skills, hopefully Hermione can help him study more.

drad says: Harry Potter = ANGER MANAGEMENT. I agree that Harry needs to control the anger if he is to be Volt. His anger gets in the way.

Posted Jul 9, 2003 at 11:15 AM EST

Student

House: Ravenclaw
Points: 237

GOFlvr says:

OK, first time posting. RE:V's fate worse than death-what if all his powers were stripped away, and he was forced to live as a Muggle. RE: Harry not being Animagus-I didn't think that you were born with it, but had to become one. That is why the MoM follows them so carefully. It took James, Sirius, and Wormtail 5 yrs to figure it out. And James and Sirius were the most talented students in the school. And lastly, RE:Umbridge being Dark-in GoF, Sirius says that some people in the Ministry, though not w/V, were just as bad and power hungry. Don't you think that she falls into that category. Remember, I think it was Sirius, said the world isn't divided between good and DE. Just some thoughts.

Posted Jul 9, 2003 at 11:16 AM EST

Student

House: Ravenclaw
Points: 237

GOFlvr says:

Ok, one more thought. RE: Percy apologizing-Ron says in GoF, that he thinks Percy would sacrifice his family to the dementors if they got in his way of his career. All through the books, there is a thread of Percy being power hungry. I don't think that he'll come back to the family anytime soon.

Posted Jul 9, 2003 at 11:22 AM EST

Madam Librarian

House: Gryffindor
Points: 13203

I-Pie says:

If reference to Harry's parent's possesions, why doesn't Harry have anything belonging to his parents (besides the cloak)? I know they mention the house was destroyed but
some items should have survived, especially since Harry survived the destruction.

Which brings us to how did Hagrid get there so fast to pull
Harry out of the wreckage before the Muggle authorities got there? Wouldn't the Muggle authorities want some say about
where Harry was sent? Who arranged burial for James and Lily? Is there a special Wizard cemetary (sp) or they are
buried in a Muggle one?

Posted Jul 9, 2003 at 11:22 AM EST