Discussion: The 'Phoenix' files

delay says:

As for Mr. Weasley being the Minister that "understands" muggles. I never really thought that he had a very good handle on it? I mean he is facinated by them and all, but I don't think that translates into an understanding. Regardless, I don't think there is really even any reason to beleive that Fudge is going to step down. I think it possible that he will try and DD will convince him to stay. I don't know that is blind speculation.

Posted Jul 9, 2003 at 7:06 PM EST

Marauder

House: Gryffindor
Points: 3954

jade says:

I do not think that muggles will find out about the wizrding world. it would be too complicated i think that the magical creatures e.g. goblins, house elves etc will play a bigger a bigger role.
Dumbledore would never leave to become minister of magic because he would never leave Hogwarts ever, i do hope he does not go that would be very sad

Posted Jul 9, 2003 at 7:33 PM EST

Chief Quibbler Editor

House: Ravenclaw
Points: 2926

The Obsesser says:

Argh!!! My picture thingy isn't working!!!

Flitterbloom--I kinda disagree with your theory about DD being on Voldy's side. I think that we already have enough switching of sides that JKR woulld not do this to a person whom we have placed all our trust in. Besides, DD was a Transfiguration teacher years before Riddle was even born, and didn't he defeat Grindenwald in 1945? So I don't think after all that, he would turn out to be evil.

However, I have to point this out--I know everyone is being realistic here, but these are JKR's books, and she could do whatever she wants with them--which includes killing off Harry in the first chapter of the next book. I'm just warning people not to underestimate what she might do, cos most of her twists and turns end up catchinf us all off guard.

With that said, I want to turn to something else--Grindenwald. Riddle was in his fifth year in 1942. In 1944, he left school, and a year later, DD defeated G. Now, I have to point something else out--on the Choclate Frog card, it said DD defeated him--not killed him. Do you think that it's also possible that when Riddle "traveled far and wide, sunk so deeply into the Dark Arts, underwent horrible transformations" that he learned this stuff from Grindenwald? Do you think Grindenwald might be the same as Voldy was, bodilesss and powerless? Will the former student Voldy try to bring his master back, but this time as a servant? That could prove really dangerous. I know this sounds like a wild theory, but there are no coincidences. Grindenwald was mentioned on there for a reason.

Yet another long one... enjoy!

Posted Jul 9, 2003 at 8:02 PM EST

Chief Quibbler Editor

House: Ravenclaw
Points: 2926

The Obsesser says:

Cathaholic--what do you mean, 'alter someone's family history'? But yes, if there was a way, he would jump on it... or maybe he's proud that he killed Myrtle at 15 and then his father at a young age... but he definitely doesn't want his DEs to know that he's half blood if he can help it...

And yes, DD is human, and he makes mistakes. I think the best thing (I know I shouldn't be saying this) would be for Dumbledore to die. I mean, I know he's supporting and everything, but Harry will never grow to be the wizard who has the power to defeat Voldy if DD is still around. I mean, he knows that DD makes mistakes, and that he is human, and that he was partly the cause of Sirius' death, but I really don't think that he still gets it. He still doesn't see DD as a person, just like himself, that won't last forever, that can be done without. So I think, that yes, he will die, and it will be Harry's hardest test, to know that he is alone, that no matter what, there is no DD to come to his rescue. Only then can he defeat Voldy.

Posted Jul 9, 2003 at 8:11 PM EST

Squib

House: Slytherin
Points: 142

Mad-Eye says:

Strawbeez girl- that is an interesting theory. Also if Dumbledore died that would leave Harry in more trouble because either Grindelwald will take care of other tasks so Voldemort can spend all his time trying to destroy Harry or both evil wizards will attack him and he wont have Dumbledore for guidance

Posted Jul 9, 2003 at 8:12 PM EST

Metamorphmagus

House: Gryffindor
Points: 37946

tonks black says:

i was thinking, and i dont think JKR will make the muggles and wizards unite. it would becoem a muggle based books and her books are about escaping reality in a way and going to the wizarding world staying out of the muggle world.
about harrys god mother. mcgonagall always seemed to be there for harry. i was questioning how old she was and if lily had any friends that might still be around. i havent thought of any names yet, but its possible.
mad-eye - if DD died, harry would still be protected as long as petunia lived, so nothing would really change except harry might never learn about his past.

an about when voldemort tried to kill harry, even tho voldemort may of needed her to get to something like the prophecy since i think she worked in the department of mysteries, i think since harrys power that voldemort aint got is love, voldemort couldnt say why he needed her. since he has no love, that would mean nolove for himself which causes him not to care. yea, what i just said was kinda confusing. sorry about that.

Posted Jul 9, 2003 at 8:20 PM EST

Squib

House: Slytherin
Points: 142

Mad-Eye says:

tonks black- unless i am mistaken (maybe i am) but Harry is only protected by Petunia whens hes at the Dursley's house.
when Harry enters the wizarding world, and if DD was dead, and Harry had two evil wizards after him, then im saying things would be alot harder for him and he couldnt rely on DD anymore.

Posted Jul 9, 2003 at 8:30 PM EST

Squib

House: Gryffindor
Points: 164

Kadyak says:

Cornelius Fudge, wither goest thou?

1) Chamber of Secrets - Lucius Malfoy shows up at Hagrid's hut right after Fudge.

2) CoS (?) Fudge refuses to accept the idea that Malfoy could still be a DE - he was cleared and has given to so many good causes.

3) Prisoner of Azkaban - Fudge refuses to entertain the idea that Sirius Black is innocent.

4) Goblet of Fire - Fudge lets dementor loose on Barty Crouch, Jr. before he can give evidence, which would prove that Voldemort is back, Pettigrew is alive and Sirius is therefore innocent, and Harry is not losing his marbles or just plain lying. He destroys the evidence.

5a) Order of the Phoenix - Fudge changes time of hearing. Clearly unnerved when DD still shows up in time to defend Harry.

5b) Fudge tries to prevent DD from calling Arabela Figg as witness to dementor's presence in Little Whinging.

5c) Fudge refuses to weigh the evidence: either dementors are out of MoM control, or someone from within ordered them to attack Harry.

5d) When DD says that he is certain that Fudge would want to take as much time as would be needed to prevent a serious miscarriage of justice, Fudge balks and returns to his a priori claim that Harry's stories are nonsense. Refuses to hear testimony from Dobby.

6) Order of the Phoenix - Fudge has private meeting with Lucius Malfoy.

What do we have here? Is this merely egotism? Is it just Fudge so desperate to get his view pushed through in order to bolster his political position? Maybe, but I doubt it. Each of these actions is a form of obstruction of justice. It is calculated.

Where is Fudge going and who is leading him?

Fudge, at the beginning of Prisoner of Azkaban seemed to Harry to be someone he could trust. He didn't throw the book at him. Why? Does this some rather inconsistent?

I am of the growing opinion that, be it of his own will or under the force of the Imperius Curse, Fudge is aligned with the Dark Side? Is he an actual DE? I'm not sure. His behavior, however, points to something WAY BEYOND bolstering his own political position or defending his pride.

Good and evil are not defined or described by simple acts of kindness or malevolence. Something inside Fudge, if he is not under the Imperius Curse, is truly dark - inclined toward evil. Being under the Imperius Curse might explain why he behaved one way at the beginning of the Prisoner of Azkaban from how he behaved at the end. His behavior in CoS might be evidence that he had already been easy prey.

Posted Jul 9, 2003 at 9:01 PM EST

Marauder says:

I too believe that DD will die but I think it will be during the 7th book when he tries to protect Harry from Voldemort and Harry will realize that he must fight Voldemort. He will either die or survive.

Posted Jul 9, 2003 at 9:19 PM EST

Professor

House: Gryffindor
Points: 1106

Ima Quidditch Fan says:

I did a bit of rearranging with the letters in Harry’s name today… like the anagram that Riddle use to spell Lord Voldemort. Yes, IMA FREAK….
Anyway, look at the possibilities for:

“I AM HARRY JAMES POTTER”

HEART is a MEMORY TRAP --- J
I may set the trap, or JR.
Am I or JR the same party?

Cool huh? As I believe that each book is themed, I believe this points to Book 7 being all about the madness of LOVE. (Yes, more Shakespeare from me)

Along this line, several of us have been discussing the new DADA. I have suggested Krum if it is an old character. But JKR has created new characters for each DADA. I found an awesome theory when I visited the Harry Potter Prognostications site. Here is the link --> http://hpprogs.blogspot.com/2003_06_08_hpprogs_archive.html#95449030

Greg theorizes that each DADA has been a representative for the theme of the book. For example, the theme of OOP being all about TRUST… DADA Umbridge… can you trust her? He gives the poisoned honey analogy – sounds sweet, but it is death. Very neat theory. Check it out in it’s entirety and let me know your thoughts on who DADA and what theme will be Book 6. I think humility is a possibility.

Oh, and while I was searching the net for a possible sense to go along with Sense of Power, Sense of Self, Sense of Pride…. I noticed that there is a 7 step guide to power and healing that follows the 5 senses we have seen in the books so far… with humility and love following. Are we undergoing therapy with DR. Rowling?

I have to say how much I appreciate all of the theories that have been posted here. This is a great forum to explore ideas. Thanks to all of you… I thought I would go mad after I read the book having no other Harry Potter fan’s in my home!

CarolAlutius George Can’tStandya (well said, by the way) – I agree Harry has to learn to forgive – that maybe the theme of Book 6.

Tadhgain – James is Lupin theory from Ultimate Guide – they suggest that he is in the body and the whole werewolf thing goes along with the package.

Sorry this is lengthy, but I REALLY love the DADA/theme of book idea… Your thoughts?

Posted Jul 9, 2003 at 9:30 PM EST

Professor

House: Gryffindor
Points: 1106

Ima Quidditch Fan says:

I posted before that I believe Arthur Weasley will be the Minister of Magic. It is a bit further back, so I will add my reason here... since there are those of you that think it is plausible.

Ron's analysis of situations is never correct, but when he makes a joke he is always right... He joked about Gryffindor having as much a chance to win the Quidditch cup as his dad becoming MOM (Minister of Magic). It is a given as far as I am concerned!

Posted Jul 9, 2003 at 9:36 PM EST

Auror

House: Gryffindor
Points: 2303

padfoot5312 says:

I agree with Kadyak Fudge is under some kind of curse. He's not on Harry side- always against him.

I don't feel that they would combine the 2 worlds. I feel that they should be separate.

It would be great that Mr. Weasley being the Minister

Posted Jul 9, 2003 at 9:52 PM EST

dobbysocks says:

This goes back to something "we" discussed a while ago... but I dont' think anyone has actually come up with anything. What do the unspeakables do? Are they like the fates from mythology? (do they control the strings? DO the strings undo the web/veil?) We know that the Dept of Mysteries seem to study the great "mysteries" of life... intelligence (the brain room), time(the clock & bell jar room), space(the one with the planets), death (the veil), the future?(prophecies) etc... so what A) could be left in the unopened room, and B) be the responsabilites of the unspeakables? I realize that this is more questions than answers, but you seem to be quite the smart bunch.

Also... can a wizard die of *natural* causes?

Posted Jul 9, 2003 at 10:11 PM EST

Squib

House: Gryffindor
Points: 164

Kadyak says:

In "The Woes of Mrs. Weasley" when Ron gets his Prefect badge, Hermione seems quite stunned, and Harry's reactions is more than jealously. Somehow, they don't seem to think that Ron has what it takes. Why?

Posted Jul 9, 2003 at 10:59 PM EST

Auror

House: Gryffindor
Points: 2303

padfoot5312 says:

Could it be that Ron is a little immature? I question it also. But I agree that Harry had to much on his plate for the job. Are there anyother boys in G. that could have leadership?

Posted Jul 9, 2003 at 11:11 PM EST

Student

House: Ravenclaw
Points: 237

GOFlvr says:

Okay, back to whether or not Fudge is under the Imperius Curse. I don't believe that he is acting under anyones "magical" influence. I believe that JK Rowling makes it a point to teach kids about the world in her novels. And the fact is that most people aren't pure good or pure evil. People have choices and choose poorly. Take Snape, for instance. Dumbledore could put a stop to his antics in the classroom, but JKR said that DD feels it is important to allow unfairness to happen. I loved the line in the book where someone (I think either Sirius or Lupin) tells Harry the world isn't divided between good and DE. That's a life lesson, right there!
Now, about Ron being prefect. Remember the Mirror of Erised? DD saw Ron and Harry looking into it. So, since DD didn't think Harry could handle it, why not let Ron shine? I like the fact that Harry tried to analyze his feelings. I really feel that JKR tries to teach us things about life in these books.

Posted Jul 9, 2003 at 11:47 PM EST

delay says:

I know that this has been discussed before, but I thought it worth bringing up again from my angle. I was just rereading the bit in OoP where Snape informs Harry that he is to teach him Occlumency. Then the fight erupts between Sirius and Snape. Sirius says some interesting things about Snape. Something like: I know dumbledore thinks you have reformed but I know what you really are....And, "Is malfoy happy to get his lapdog back."

I have a feeling that Sirius actually knows something about Snape. This is not just him idly ranting during an arguement.

This I believe is supported by the quote that JKR gave at the Royal ALbert Hall reading where she said something like "Snape is not a good as you think he is."-when responding about how DD won't give him the DADA job.

I don't know what I am getting at exactly, but I think there are some possibilities here. Possibly Dumbledore is controlling him somehow. Maybe Snape has everyone fooled I don't know. Regardless...does anyone have any thoughts?

Posted Jul 10, 2003 at 12:03 AM EST

Professor

House: Gryffindor
Points: 1106

Ima Quidditch Fan says:

HGreenbacker8705 - Reading your post just now something jumps out at me that I hadn't thought of before. Harry entered the Chamber of Secrets, and only a descendent could do that. Is this correct?

Also, Riddle tells him not to bother to speak to the Basilisk, because it would only answer to him. 1. He could have been lying. 2. Harry didn’t try.

Posted Jul 10, 2003 at 12:12 AM EST

Professor

House: Gryffindor
Points: 1106

Ima Quidditch Fan says:

delay - I think that Sirius knows Snape is a vampire.

Posted Jul 10, 2003 at 12:15 AM EST

Professor

House: Gryffindor
Points: 1106

Ima Quidditch Fan says:

HGreenbacker8705 - Thanks... I think you are right. Harry could be in the Slytherin line, as well as Gryffindor. Maybe all four houses.

OK... sorry, BUT I have to ask... did you see my post earlier this evening about the DADA being linked to the themes of each book? It really goes back to a discussion we had before, and I have been dying to know what you though. :)

Posted Jul 10, 2003 at 12:23 AM EST

Professor

House: Gryffindor
Points: 1106

Ima Quidditch Fan says:

Sirius and Snape related... <> very interesting. If Snape is related to Sirius he would be related to Malfoy by marriage. (Narcissa) Only I think Snapes name might have jumped out on the Black family tree. Maybe not.

Posted Jul 10, 2003 at 12:27 AM EST

Snape's Woman
(Moderator)

House: Ravenclaw
Points: 5392

Prof. Andaxia Moonstar says:

Great theories everyone!

HGreenbacker8705: I never thought about Sirius and Snape being related, even distantly. That would be very interesting!

I am still unsure about Snape being a vampire. I know there is a lot of evidence for that theory, but it all makes me want to grab my fishing pole (and catch some red herrings).

I agree that most of Ron's jokes seem to come true. I also highly recommend the Ultimate Guide mentioned earlier. The authors are Galadriel Waters and Astre Mithrandir (love those names - yay, LOTR!)
They talk a lot about running bits and trends in the series. They also have a website up - the address is www.wizardingworld.com/hpsleuth.shtml

Check it out for more cool theories!

Posted Jul 10, 2003 at 12:29 AM EST

Professor

House: Gryffindor
Points: 1106

Ima Quidditch Fan says:

Ohhhhhh, and someone mentioned that they thought Snape might have changed his name from Perseus Evans to Severas Snape...

Posted Jul 10, 2003 at 12:36 AM EST

Professor

House: Gryffindor
Points: 1106

Ima Quidditch Fan says:

OK, this is a wild one, BUT I really think you have something here. Maybe Mr. Evans (Snape's dad, Lily and Petunia's uncle) was not nice, and that is why Petunia dislikes magical people... I wonder if she would know Snape by sight? (more Mark Evans evidence too)

Posted Jul 10, 2003 at 12:42 AM EST

Professor

House: Gryffindor
Points: 1106

Ima Quidditch Fan says:

Sniveling Perseus
Snivilus


Tree:
Blacks --> Evans (one brother wizard, one a sqib)

Lily and Petunia's dad was a sqib!

Posted Jul 10, 2003 at 12:46 AM EST

Professor

House: Gryffindor
Points: 1106

Ima Quidditch Fan says:

Oh, the horror, that would make Harry a cousin to Snape! Also to Sirius (he may not have mentioned that as Harry's maternal grandfather would not have shown up on the Black tree... and he may not have known)

really out there, huh?

Posted Jul 10, 2003 at 12:51 AM EST