Discussion: The 'Phoenix' files

Professor

House: Gryffindor
Points: 1106

Ima Quidditch Fan says:

Oh, the horror, that would make Harry a cousin to Snape! Also to Sirius (he may not have mentioned that as Harry's maternal grandfather would not have shown up on the Black tree... and he may not have known)

really out there, huh?

Posted Jul 10, 2003 at 12:51 AM EST

delay says:

I suppose what struck me was that without regard for Sirius's hatred for Snape (which actually snape has far more reason to hate him) Sirius seemed to know something. The term reformed means that when he was a DE he meant it but has now somehow changed. As far out there as it might be, what if Dumbledore did something like Imperius to snape during the first war against Voldemort. Naturally he wouldn't tell anyone, and that would make him very confident that snape was on his side regardless of the fact that seemingly no one believes that. This is a tad bit absurd, but...

Everything that JKR, and written in the series points to us finding out why it is that Snape was a Death Eater, and is not anymore. The quote from Royal Albert Hall lead me to think that he might be again.

Posted Jul 10, 2003 at 2:24 AM EST

Muggle

House: Gryffindor
Points: 76

Rosco161 says:

What is the latest rumor or fact about book 6? Do we have anything giving us an about time or are we going to have to wait three LOOOOOOOng years.....

Posted Jul 10, 2003 at 3:29 AM EST

Auror

House: Ravenclaw
Points: 2374

TrueBluePotterFan says:

OK here we go. I agree that DD will be killed by Voldy. I think it will happen in HP7.

I was thinking about the chapter when Voldy tried to kill Harry this morning, but the spell was blocked by the statue. I could not help but speculate, What would have happened if it hit Harry? Would it have bounced off again? Is Harry still protected now as he was at the age of 1? Think about it.

On another site I saw an interesting post that I would like to bring up:
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We know that Luna Lovegood blasted apart the planet Pluto in a Death Eaters face in that room with the spinning planets. I have a feeling that room was a model of the solar system, and as Luna blasted Pluto... could Pluto been REALLY blasted away and really not in the solar system anymore?

Also Luna's name... "Luna" means moon in about a gazillion languages, so is there any significance in the "moon" blasting away Pluto?

Pluto was the god of the underworld, or I guess you could say death and hell. Is there a veil connection there? Will Luna blast through the veil, or through the afterlife?

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Based on the development of this character in OOTP, I've always thought that JKR had bigger plans for her in HP6 and/or HP7. The whole Pluto theory is interesting. I also can't help but think that one of "stories" will end up being true also. I think the one of Fudge controlling a great weapon may be true. We will just have to wait and see.

Any thoughts?

Posted Jul 10, 2003 at 8:01 AM EST

Metamorphmagus

House: Gryffindor
Points: 37939

tonks black says:

Ima Quidditch Fan - i agree. rons jokes are always a little...out there but sometimes they are right.
dobbysocks - i think since the upspeakables study in the department of msyteries that they study everything that is a mystery. for one, itelligence is a mystery because some people can learn things and others just cant.the future is a huge mystery to everyone, even if they can see a little bit into it. and space and time somewhat go together. the mystery there is like...if time every stopped, would it be because the earth stopped rotating. also, that could do with the time turners.
sorry if this has already been said, i am just replying to each page cause i have a few pages to read

Posted Jul 10, 2003 at 8:11 AM EST

Metamorphmagus

House: Gryffindor
Points: 37939

tonks black says:

HGreenbacker8705 - i think it would be cool if Grawp would make a major turn around and help DD and hagrid round up the giants. that could help hagrids reputation to if it did work.
delay - maybe what the opposite of what we thought was happening. maybe snape is spying on DD for voldemort and DD knows and puts him under the crucastious(spelling is evil) curse or whatever one controlls people.
Ima Quidditch - that is a good fact you brought up about harry getting into the chamber of secrets when only heirs are most likely supposed to get in.

also, maybe snape WAS part of the evans family and he got disowned because he wanted to do dark arts and changed his name for a new family? i know thats odd but it could be possible in one of JKR's books.
jv124 - i think she was refering to harry but i could be wrong.

Posted Jul 10, 2003 at 8:28 AM EST

Metamorphmagus

House: Gryffindor
Points: 37939

tonks black says:

TrueBluePotterFan - what if maybe when people get through the veil, they go to pluto? or maybe the underworld since pluto was a god of it.also, if the statue wasnt in the way, i dont think harry would of lived. when he was one, his mother was there. but aunt petunia wasnt there then. also, did harrys father die for harry or for lily? if it was for harry, maybe he should look into finding some of his dads family.
i thought about lunas name meaning moon. could she be any relation to oh say..lupin? who turns into a werewolf at a full moon? also, maybe since pettigrew has the silver hand, she might come into contact with him at some point. but they are just my thoughts.

Posted Jul 10, 2003 at 8:38 AM EST

Head Girl

House: Gryffindor
Points: 468

Charlie'sMum says:

Flitterbloom - someone may have answered this already but regarding the 'gleam of triumph' in DD's eyes - I always thought it was because there is something in harry that WILL defeat V and whatever V did that time is actually going to contribute to his downfall and that's why DD was triumphant. Kind of like how wormtail is indebted to Harry, whatever V did is actually going to weaken him. As much as she loves throwing curve balls, I really, really don't think JKR would make DD bad. He's the archtypical good guy. Ultimately she's telling a classic story and there's only so far you can deviate from that 'map'.

Posted Jul 10, 2003 at 8:44 AM EST

Student

House: Gryffindor
Points: 279

Abrez says:

any theories abt the next book?

Posted Jul 10, 2003 at 8:55 AM EST

Metamorphmagus

House: Gryffindor
Points: 37939

tonks black says:

abrez - all our theories about the next book are suurounding you..

Posted Jul 10, 2003 at 9:09 AM EST

Witch

House: Gryffindor
Points: 661

Flitterbloom says:

Haha - Very surronding you abrez.. just read! lol ;)
Anyway, I just spent the last 40 minutes reading all the posts that came after I logged off last night, and I've heard some amaaazing predictions and theories. I'm rather glad a lot of you answered my thoughts on DD being evil, in a contradicting way, because I hardly wanted to believe that my "guess" was true, so thanks guys for helping my mind put DD on the good side again.
As for the whole Snape and Sirius thing and Snape being related to the name Evans some how, I think these theories are excellent. And with Luna being (moon) in so many languages, the Lupin theory is a good one, but I'm still in awe of the Pluto theory. I don't think she actually blew up the real Pluto, I mean, whoever it was that suggested it (i can't remember) either you, or someone in reply to that said, well what if Pluto has something to do with the veil, and when people go through the veil, they go to the underworld..? Well, if Pluto is the underworld in which someone suggested, how could Sirius have gone there if Luna blew it up? I don't think that JKR would send Sirius to the underworld anyway.. that's pushing it to far. It's a good theory, but there's a lot of confusion behind it too.
Snape and Malfoy - oooohh I want to read more about this now! Whoever it was that mentioned what Sirius said to Snape in their little "brawl" in the kitchen, wow! that was good. I am now seriously wondering what Snape might be up to. It definitly ties in with what JKR said at her reading.
The part people brought up about Slytherin.. I've read some awesome theories about that too, what with Slytherin maybe living in Nagini (as an animagus). I sure would love to know what happened after he left Hogwarts.

Posted Jul 10, 2003 at 9:45 AM EST

Squib

House: Slytherin
Points: 142

Mad-Eye says:

I agree with tonks black, Luna could have something to do with Lupin. Or maybe Luna could be Lupin’s downfall as one of his fears is the moon (boggart takes shape of moon). Maybe she will accidentally or on purpose kill him before he can confront Wormtail. Any thoughts?

Posted Jul 10, 2003 at 9:57 AM EST

Metamorphmagus

House: Gryffindor
Points: 37939

tonks black says:

was the MOM building up at the time Slytherin was living? Maybe he was in the department of mysteries and made the veil and fell threw it? i know that is not very predictable but as you may of guessed, i have a wide imagination.

Posted Jul 10, 2003 at 9:57 AM EST

Witch

House: Gryffindor
Points: 661

Flitterbloom says:

tonks black - yes your imagination definitly is wiide! lol That's a good theory.. hmmn I don't think it mentions anywhere if the MOM was there when he was alive (well for all we know he may still be alive) but at the time of his "hogwarts power" lol. If he was working in the school though, it does make me wonder if it's possible to hold down 2 jobs in the magic world.. could he have been working in the D of M too? Hmmnn.. Good Question
Mad-Eye - Luna having something to do with Lupin's downfall. Well first I'm gonna say.. If Lupin has a downfall JKR will not hear the end of it from me. She killed off my favourite character in OotP, if she kills off my second favourite.. hmmnn, I don't know how I'd survive. Anyway, it's an excellent observation. Lupin does hate the moon, so Luna definitly could have some sort of "relation" to Lupin.

Posted Jul 10, 2003 at 10:03 AM EST

Witch

House: Gryffindor
Points: 661

Flitterbloom says:

tonks black.. if you go to your profile, it will ask you to put in a URL for a picture, and you've earned what looks to be 90 points.

Posted Jul 10, 2003 at 10:04 AM EST

Metamorphmagus

House: Gryffindor
Points: 37939

tonks black says:

Dark Forest Explorer- is she had a history of hogwarts and something like a history of some of the adults that we have questions about, i would be in line to get it!

Posted Jul 10, 2003 at 10:34 AM EST

Squib

House: Slytherin
Points: 142

Mad-Eye says:

Dark Forest Explorer- it would be really cool if she published "Hogwarts, A History", of course it could only be after all seven books incase it plays an important part in the next two books

Posted Jul 10, 2003 at 10:37 AM EST

Auror

House: Ravenclaw
Points: 2374

TrueBluePotterFan says:

Excellant Idea. I'm on board for "Hogwarts, A History". I think I will call the bookstore now and place my pre-order.

Posted Jul 10, 2003 at 10:44 AM EST

George Can'tStandya says:

Excellent questions about the ultimate fate of Salhazzar Slytherin. And the Snape as a Vampire theory is really compelling. I like the DADA theory, but I will not be able to read the full thing until later tonight. One other thought on the need for better relations between Muggles and Wizards, in COS, in Lockhart's self aggrandizing test given on teh first day, what he really wants for his birthday is "better relationships between magical and non-magical people". Granted itis not what Lockhart would really want, but it is something he thinks his readers would like him to want. It is a problem with teh wizarding society, and I can not see how JKR can resolve the story with out dealing with the inherent racism in the wizarding system.

Posted Jul 10, 2003 at 10:46 AM EST

Metamorphmagus

House: Gryffindor
Points: 37939

tonks black says:

George Can'tStandya - what lockheart said could of been true but alot of wizards thought he was a little..loony.

Posted Jul 10, 2003 at 10:50 AM EST

Wizard

House: Slytherin
Points: 533

dimtick says:

alright, I've been avoiding this section, it moves way to fast for me to keep up.
I definetely think there will be more to the Luna character. Only she and Harry heard the "ghosts" through the archway. If the Luna name means somehow she has powers in the underworld (as the Luna god does), maybe she can help Harry go get Sirius out. I don't think it was coincidence that Sirius fell through the arch. It leaves it open that Harry can somehow manage a rescue mission.
I keep thinking about what DD said to V at the end, that there are worse things than death. A current theory that I have is the Harry (with Luna's help?) will somehow go through the arch and free all V's victoms. They would come back as ghosts and torment V, as in the end of GoF. I think that would be a fate worse than death.
I definetely think there is more to Luna than meets the eye, that her "loonyness" is just and act?

Posted Jul 10, 2003 at 10:54 AM EST

Witch

House: Gryffindor
Points: 661

Flitterbloom says:

George Can'tStandYa- You're really crazy about the unity and equality between everything else to wizards aren't you? I don't blame you.. I'm all for the equality of all races too. And that Lockhart observation is really good.. I think with JKR bringing him back in the 5th book, we just might be seeing or hearing a little more from Lockhart in future books.
Dark Forest Explorer- I really support that idea. Remember how Tolkein wrote books on the history of Middle Earth, and all the characters and relations we find in LoTR. It'd be very VERY interesting for JKR to do something like that too

Posted Jul 10, 2003 at 10:56 AM EST

Metamorphmagus

House: Gryffindor
Points: 37939

tonks black says:

dimtick - i never thought about luna and harry going threw the veil. if they did bring all the souls of people back from the veil, would that mean every wizarding person who died went threw the veil?because some people like lily who died at the hands of voldemort might not be in there.

Posted Jul 10, 2003 at 11:00 AM EST

Witch

House: Gryffindor
Points: 661

Flitterbloom says:

I agree with you Tonks Black. Isn't the 'underworld' a place where bad people go? Like hell or something? Why on earth would people who fought for the good of the wizarding world be in hell?

Posted Jul 10, 2003 at 11:06 AM EST

Auror

House: Ravenclaw
Points: 2374

TrueBluePotterFan says:

Flitterbloom & tonks black - I see the underworld in Mythology as where the spirits of all dead people go, as opposed to heaven and hell. And as stated in a previous post I see the archway/veil as a divider between the spiritual and physical world. Never considered a trip with Harry and Luna going through the veil, but it may happen. Also the Death Chamber seems to be more than just an execution room. I'm sure JKR will spend much more time in the MOM Mysteries area in HP6 & 7. There is still that locked room.....

Posted Jul 10, 2003 at 11:19 AM EST

Metamorphmagus

House: Gryffindor
Points: 37939

tonks black says:

truebluepotterfan - in that case , if she figures the underworld like you do, its very possible they could have a trip down there and get the ones voldemort has killed out. also, harry could see his parents then and learn more abut them.

Posted Jul 10, 2003 at 11:25 AM EST