Discussion: The 'Phoenix' files

Witch

House: Gryffindor
Points: 661

Flitterbloom says:

dimtick - you have a point. I think we are all a little suspicious of Fudge right now, especially with all the connections he had to Malfoy. Fudge may not agree with dumbledore behind cameras but I still think he'll take his advice

Posted Jul 10, 2003 at 3:03 PM EST

Metamorphmagus

House: Gryffindor
Points: 37939

tonks black says:

what if voldemort tries to get wormtail up in the ministry? or can he get dementers to let all his people out of azkaban and then take the MoM over?

Posted Jul 10, 2003 at 3:10 PM EST

Witch

House: Gryffindor
Points: 661

Flitterbloom says:

well if the dementors all left Azkaban they're its gauranteed we can see more death eaters/ bad guys whatever getting out.. but i can't see them getting into the MOM

Posted Jul 10, 2003 at 3:17 PM EST

Wizard

House: Slytherin
Points: 533

dimtick says:

alright so your Voldemort, now what do you do?
My theory....raise hell. I would release the dementors on the general population (muggles). Who better to attack than those that can't defend themselves or even see dementors for that matter. This would keep the MOM busy chasing them which would leave me free to....

Posted Jul 10, 2003 at 3:35 PM EST

Witch

House: Gryffindor
Points: 661

Flitterbloom says:

dimtick.. but if you can think of that, than Dumbledore surly would too. They're probably "expecting" some sort of attack. We can be sure that there will more than likely be a lot more deaths. The last chapter in OotP is The 2nd War Begins.. But I think dementors could definitly do a lot of damage and wreak serious havoc on the world..

Posted Jul 10, 2003 at 3:48 PM EST

Metamorphmagus

House: Gryffindor
Points: 37939

tonks black says:

i agree flitterbloom,i dont think people are taking into consideration how big of a role magical creatures besides wizards could play in books 6 and 7

Posted Jul 10, 2003 at 3:51 PM EST

Witch

House: Gryffindor
Points: 661

Flitterbloom says:

What about international wizards? Has anyone discussed how they will play a role in the upcoming books? We know that there are thousands upon thousands of foreign wizards out there.. did they play a role at all in the last war against Voldemort? There are so many questions that are unanswered.. Any thoughts on the interantional help wizards could bring?

Posted Jul 10, 2003 at 3:51 PM EST

Auror

House: Ravenclaw
Points: 2374

TrueBluePotterFan says:

What happens to Percy now that he may no longer be useful to Fudge as a spy into the weasley family?? Also it would be very intense if Percy kept his current position and Arthur becomes the new Minister of Magic. I hope it happens. It would certainly put Percy in his place. lol

Posted Jul 10, 2003 at 3:54 PM EST

Marauder says:

I think that Percy is an easy target for the DE. If Fudge is removed as Minister and the DE said they would help get Percy the job if he would tell them a few things, Percy would be very tempted at this offer. I wouldn't be too surprise if the DE go after him for some info.

Posted Jul 10, 2003 at 4:08 PM EST

Witch

House: Gryffindor
Points: 661

Flitterbloom says:

I don't think this posted.. But forgive me for posting it again if it did.
Percy might be an idiot, but unless he actually went over to the darkside I can't see him defying the "good side". He wouldn't want to just give them a little bit of information for help and stay on the good side after he did that.. then he would have to deal with what they're going to do, and it would be his fault. Now, if they asked him to join the dark side and in return they'd make him Minister, I can see that happening. He's definitly a target.. but I stick to what I said about him not giving a little bit of help.

Posted Jul 10, 2003 at 4:17 PM EST

Wizard

House: Slytherin
Points: 533

dimtick says:

Marauder - that's an interesting point about Percy. I don't think he would willingly join the DE, but he would make a good candidate for a mind control curse. People with weak minds seem to make good targets.

Posted Jul 10, 2003 at 4:18 PM EST

Student

House: Gryffindor
Points: 294

girliegirl says:

Hey flitterbloom, about what you said yesterday of Dumbledore being in Voldemort´s side...do you really think that can happen?

Posted Jul 10, 2003 at 4:19 PM EST

Student

House: Gryffindor
Points: 294

girliegirl says:

I was thinking about it and why not? one of the greatest things about the harry potter books is the fact that there is something unespected sometimes crazy at the end of the book...what if Jk decides to come up with something like that for the last harry potter book or something

Posted Jul 10, 2003 at 4:22 PM EST

Marauder says:

I don't think there's any chance in DD being evil. I think he will die first and if he was with Voldemort why would every single DE be afraid of him.
I was just thinking. Isn't it weird that all of the DE are more afraid of DD than of Voldemort when Voldemort is supposed to be the most powerful wizard alive.

Posted Jul 10, 2003 at 4:27 PM EST

Witch

House: Gryffindor
Points: 661

Flitterbloom says:

Girliegirl- I think it's a possibility. I heard a lot of people's opinions on that, and not one of them thought it would be true. I don't blame them. I don't want it to end up being true either. But, I do think that it's a possibility. I've this crazy idea that Snape and Dumbledore are working together.. maybe to bring Harry down (stop laughing everyone lol) In OotP Ron suggests to Harry that Snape might be opening up Harry's mind in Occlumency in the purpose to 'help' Voldemort. And Dumbledore gave the order that it be Snape that be the one who teaches Harry occlumency.. This is just a crazy out-of-the-world theory I had and I hope it doesn't end up being true...

Posted Jul 10, 2003 at 4:27 PM EST

Witch

House: Gryffindor
Points: 661

Flitterbloom says:

Maurader- (Without my DD evil theory in mind) I think Dumbledore is the most powerful wizard alive, and I had this other crazy idea that somehow, Voldemort and Dumbledore might have some sort of relation.. or connection.. but what do I know?!

Posted Jul 10, 2003 at 4:32 PM EST

Student

House: Gryffindor
Points: 294

girliegirl says:

And how many oppportunities did Dumbledore have to kill Harry ? he didnt do it so...and if you analyze Dumbledore´s role in the other books...you end up thinking that it is a crazy idea...but Jk can definitely come up with something and make it happen...I hope she never does that

Posted Jul 10, 2003 at 4:35 PM EST

Wizard

House: Slytherin
Points: 533

dimtick says:

Marauder - I think that Voldemort is only the most powerful because he has no conscience and is thus will to do stuff that DD won't. Pretty clear during the battle who the more powerful wizard was. Didn't see DD needing a shield. I think the DE's were only afraid of DD because V wasn't there

As far as DD being on the dark side, i don't think there is any chance of that. JK knows who her audience is, these aren't those kind of books.

Posted Jul 10, 2003 at 4:36 PM EST

delay says:

Two things for now.

One, I don't think that Sirius has any power over who the house goes to. I am not sure about this, but am fairly certain that if this were something the current owner could will to someone his mother certainly would not have given it to him. I don't know. I think that there is less of a reason for the house to exist now that everyone knows Voldemort is back.

Second thing....not to obsess about this issue, but I have another point about Snape actually still being a DE. I have not gotten to this point in rereading OoP yet so I am not sure how it goes but, in the end when Harry is talking about Occlumency doesn't he tell Dumbledore something about the lessons making him feel more open to the dreams. Then, doesn't Dumbledore say something about how it was a mistake not to teach harry himself? Could this be a situation where Dumbledore knows that Snape is not fully reformed, suspects that he is working for Voldemort, but keeps him around because he is useful. The notion being that as long as Dumbledore knows Snape is a spy and trying to conceal it he can still get information out of him (keeping the enemy close if you will).

Posted Jul 10, 2003 at 4:37 PM EST

Student

House: Gryffindor
Points: 294

girliegirl says:

delay, I think you´re right and with Jk who knows? anything is possible

Posted Jul 10, 2003 at 4:41 PM EST

Wizard

House: Slytherin
Points: 533

dimtick says:

Something i thought of about DD going to the darkside. Although I don't think that's a possibility it could be cool if someone else high up was under a mind control curse - McGonnical perhaps. That would be cool. As head of Gryfindor she could really screw things up.....

Posted Jul 10, 2003 at 4:46 PM EST

Student

House: Gryffindor
Points: 294

girliegirl says:

first book: who thought that voldemort was behind that turban? second book: who thought Ginny was doing everyting controlled by Voldemort himself third book: who thought sirius was the "good" guy? etc...etc...etc... anything can happen !

Posted Jul 10, 2003 at 4:46 PM EST

Metamorphmagus

House: Gryffindor
Points: 37939

tonks black says:

maybe the reason snape was opening his mind alot was because part of voldemort was still in him since the scar is still on him

Posted Jul 10, 2003 at 4:48 PM EST

Madam Librarian

House: Gryffindor
Points: 13203

I-Pie says:

I think DD thinks it was a mistake to let Snape teach
Harry because Snape was unable to put aside his hatred
of James Potter. I believe DD said that some wounds run too deep. I think Snape turned the lessons into another
way to demean Harry like he constantly did in his classes.
If Harry had to learn how to wipe out all emotion to learn the skill and Snape provoked him constantly.

Posted Jul 10, 2003 at 4:50 PM EST

Witch

House: Gryffindor
Points: 661

Flitterbloom says:

I still think Snape is a death eater. JKR made a lot of people begin to like Snape in the 5th book. A lot of people feel sorry for him, and they like his character better, I think JKR may have done that on purpose, so that we're shocked if we find out he's still working for them. Delay - I like your theory about this, but I don't really agree eith it. I think if Dumbledore knew Snape wasn't on their side he would get rid of him, because one we know that DD is giving Snape information at the ootp meetings,a dn he cuold just take this back to Voldemort, plus if DD knew, I doubt he would trust the information Snape gave him. Snape cuold easily be lying about everything he's telling them... Hmmn I still don't know whether to believe Snape's a death eater still or not..

Posted Jul 10, 2003 at 4:50 PM EST

Student

House: Gryffindor
Points: 294

girliegirl says:

I agree with l-Pie´s version =)

Posted Jul 10, 2003 at 4:52 PM EST