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Discussion: The 'Phoenix' files

JUNE 23, 2003 at 2:37 PM

Posted by CHEESER
Source: HPANA

So, you've read Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix, and pretty darn quick, too. Like many others around the world, you have a sore neck and strained eyes, the result of reading an 870-page book in two or three days. Now you want to share your arduous journey with others. This is the place to do it.

First I'll offer my own thoughts (LET THE SPOILERS BEGIN).

One word: WOW. And I thought the Dursleys were mean. As I'm thinking of where to begin talking about Order of the Phoenix, the one thing that keeps coming to the forefront of my mind is the book's grave look into the corruption and abuse of power (and vice-versa, the power of abuse and corruption). Whether found in the annals of history or safely between the book covers of children's fiction, it can be accurately restated that absolute power corrupts absolutely.

More on that later, but first, the death: How many of you were right? Raise your hands. Sirius was definitely on my short-list. When JK said a major character was going to die, I knew it wouldn't be any of the trio, I thought it might be an older Weasley, but then my thoughts turned to Sirius. He was given to Harry, so how painful could it be to have him taken away? That was my reasoning, anyway.

Is Cho finally "over-and-out"? Will the Weasley twins' business continue to succeed? Does the Ministry now understand how much it needs Dumbledore?

UPDATE: We now have a full-fledged forum available. Click here to start using it!

Q: What will happen to the content here?

A: Everything will be saved. In fact, I'd like recommendations on what to do with all the great posts here. Can we move some of it into the new forum? Just link back to it? Let me know (just mention my name, Cheeser, in any post).

Q: I don't like change! Waaaa!

A: That's not a question, but I understand. The new system is capable of so much more, including separate threads so people can have detailed conversations about certain aspects of the book. You can still have a free-for-all thread, too. It's your forum! Do whatever you want with it.

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Student

House: Gryffindor
Points: 294

girliegirl says:

I agree with l-Pie´s version =)

Posted Jul 10, 2003 at 4:52 PM EST

Student

House: Gryffindor
Points: 294

girliegirl says:

Snape tried to save the sorcerer´s stone...he didnt want Voldemort to get it...and he gave Umbridge the fake potion so Harry wouldnt have to tell her everything...etc....etc....etc....I dont think he is a DE....maybe he is confused or something...I have no clue

Posted Jul 10, 2003 at 4:58 PM EST

Prefect

House: Gryffindor
Points: 339

Marauder says:

I'm just waiting for JKR to tell us why DD trusts Snape. I don't think he'll be able to keep it quiet for much longer.

Posted Jul 10, 2003 at 5:01 PM EST

Wizard

House: Slytherin
Points: 533

dimtick says:

i-pie: I agree with you about Snape. When Snape gave Harry lessons, he never actually taught him how to defend himself, just kept attacking his mind. seemed to be taking out his hostility for James on Harry.

Posted Jul 10, 2003 at 5:01 PM EST

Madam Librarian

House: Gryffindor
Points: 13153

I-Pie says:

I do not think that JK is suddenly going to turn Snape into
a traitor. DD has said over and over again that he
trusts Snape but never will give a reason. Personally,
I would think Snape and Harry had many things in common like
both coming from abusive homes. I bet Snape, like Harry, looked forward to Hogwarts as a new start. Unfortunately, for Snape James Potter was there to make his life miserable.
Draco might try to make Harry's life miserable but Harry usually wins in the end. Also, they mention Snape hanging
out with Syltherin's who became DE, but they do not refer to them as friends. Harry has friends.

Posted Jul 10, 2003 at 5:03 PM EST

Witch

House: Gryffindor
Points: 661

Flitterbloom says:

You have a point I-pie. I see where you're going with it.. I really wish JKR had told us in the 5th book why DD trusts Snape.

Posted Jul 10, 2003 at 5:05 PM EST

Student

House: Gryffindor
Points: 294

girliegirl says:

I think James was so cute with his hair thing and always playing with the snich but I felt bad for Snape lol

Posted Jul 10, 2003 at 5:07 PM EST

Student

House: Slytherin
Points: 208

George Can'tStandya says:

My opinion: Snape was trying to teach Harry occulemncy. The constant attacks are how you learn. I agree with I-Pie, Dumbledore's mistake was in thinking that Snape could move past his own feelings toward Harry and James. He does trust Snape and I am convinced that Snape is not a fan of Dumbledore's Snape's challenge will be in letting go of past wrongs and moving forward, much like Harry will have to let go of his hatred of Malfoy and possibly the Dursley's.

Posted Jul 10, 2003 at 5:08 PM EST

Student

House: Gryffindor
Points: 294

girliegirl says:

is book 6 coming out next year?

Posted Jul 10, 2003 at 5:09 PM EST

Witch

House: Gryffindor
Points: 661

Flitterbloom says:

GirlieGirl - I Wish!

I doubt it though

Posted Jul 10, 2003 at 5:13 PM EST

Wizard

House: Slytherin
Points: 533

dimtick says:

the only thing coming out next year is movie 3.

Posted Jul 10, 2003 at 5:22 PM EST

Witch

House: Gryffindor
Points: 661

Flitterbloom says:

Does anyone think that Harry will be able to play quidditch next year? And do you think if Fudge, or whoever is in charge of the "decrees", does take off the ban and allow Harry to play, do you think he'll be captain?

Posted Jul 10, 2003 at 5:30 PM EST

Student

House: Gryffindor
Points: 294

girliegirl says:

I want to see that! I bet Daniel Radcliffe looks so cute in the third movie

Posted Jul 10, 2003 at 5:30 PM EST

Student

House: Gryffindor
Points: 294

girliegirl says:

Of course he is going to play again...Umbridge is not headmaster anymore...he is probably going to be captain of the team

Posted Jul 10, 2003 at 5:32 PM EST

Student

House: Gryffindor
Points: 294

girliegirl says:

Perhaps Ron´ll be captain

Posted Jul 10, 2003 at 5:35 PM EST

Professor

House: Gryffindor
Points: 1012

Imperio says:

Ah, I'm finally back it feels good to be here again. So what's the main discussion now?

Posted Jul 10, 2003 at 5:39 PM EST

Witch

House: Gryffindor
Points: 661

Flitterbloom says:

Imperio Glad You're Back!! Well.. we've been talking about Snape's loyalty to Dumbledore a lot, Dumbledores motives, The links between the 4 houses (could Salazar Slytherin be alive), Harrys Quidditch regime (we just started that), The brains that attacked Ron, Luna's possible relation to Lupin.. anything else.. it'll come up if I missed something

Posted Jul 10, 2003 at 5:44 PM EST

Squib

House: Ravenclaw
Points: 105

delay says:

First, flitterbloom I agree with the logic about Snape It would be just like JKR to have us originally convinced that he was evil, but then after finally convincing us he is an all right guy have it end up that he is evil afterall. If Dumbledore did know he could do a large number of things.
1. Only give Snape some information or incorrect information. Correct me if I'm wrong but I don't think he was at all the meetings.
2. Use information given to him by Snape sparingly.

Finally, he might have just realized Snapes true nature

anyway enough on that though.

T

Posted Jul 10, 2003 at 5:46 PM EST

Witch

House: Gryffindor
Points: 661

Flitterbloom says:

Yeah.. I hear ya delay. I think we all have our
opinions on whether Snape is going to end up turning good or bad, and after all this evidence I've seen, I'm sort of stuck in the middle, so we're just going to have to wait until the next book.

Posted Jul 10, 2003 at 5:52 PM EST

Student

House: Gryffindor
Points: 294

girliegirl says:

Why do you think Salazar Slythering is alive?

Posted Jul 10, 2003 at 5:57 PM EST

Squib

House: Ravenclaw
Points: 105

delay says:

By the way, I don't think any of us know that the next book is not coming out next year. For all we know it might. I wouldn't be all together suprised if they would like to release it to coincide with the next movie, or six months after between the PoA and GoF movies.

Posted Jul 10, 2003 at 5:58 PM EST

Witch

House: Gryffindor
Points: 661

Flitterbloom says:

We were discussing earlier if maybe he's an anigimus (sp) and he's Nagini (Voldemorts Snake) just as someone suggested that perhaps Godric Gryffindor is Fawkes.

Posted Jul 10, 2003 at 5:59 PM EST

Witch

House: Gryffindor
Points: 661

Flitterbloom says:

I would love for that to be true delay!! I would seriously love to be able to go get the 6th book as soon as possible. I would actually love for the 3rd move to come out earlier too.. I mean, if they're saying in another article on this site that there's going to be a teaser of it at an upcmoing event this month, obviously they're getting pretty far in finishing it.. don't ya think?

Posted Jul 10, 2003 at 6:02 PM EST

Student

House: Gryffindor
Points: 294

girliegirl says:

wow I never thought about that

Posted Jul 10, 2003 at 6:03 PM EST

Student

House: Gryffindor
Points: 294

girliegirl says:

I think they should hurry up with the movies so the actors can keep playing their roles

Posted Jul 10, 2003 at 6:05 PM EST

Professor

House: Gryffindor
Points: 1012

Imperio says:

About Salazar Slytherin being alive, I don't think it will be happen but it is a possibility. If you go to UK Patent Office website you can find that one of the Harry Potter titles registered is called Harry Potter and The Alchemist's Cell and seeing as Salazar Slytherin was alive a very long time ago he would have to have something like a Sorcerer's/Philosopher's stone to survive this long. And after all that is what alchemy is about. So it could be plausible or it could be coincidence or most likely a red herring.

Posted Jul 10, 2003 at 6:28 PM EST

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