Discussion: The 'Phoenix' files

Metamorphmagus

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tonks black says:

legilimens
Welcome to the site.
I think Mark Evans is related to harry, but not sure what role he could play if he plays any at all.
about what moody said - things changed when harry told them about sirius. so, i think they might change for the better or not change at all.

Posted Nov 5, 2003 at 4:53 PM EST

Order of Merlin, 2nd Class

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lightheart says:

legilimens and vibs999
Welcome to the boards. Bring on all the new ideas.

legilimens
Not sure that Hermione would have ended up with a second-hand wand although it's a nice thought to link Hermione and Lily. I think Lily's and James' wands were either destroyed at Godric's Hollow or picked up by Hagrid when he was going through the rubble to find Harry. As to what happens when Harry and Voldemort go wand-to-wand, well there could be a surprise in store like what happened at the end of GOF. Fawkes swallowed the AK in OotP which issued from a wand with his own feather and he burned and reissued immediately. Maybe there'll be a similar effect between our two combatants? Just wild thought...

Posted Nov 5, 2003 at 4:59 PM EST

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Alchemist 530 says:

Ok, the stuff about Snape- here's the best that I can come up with:
DD DOES trust Snape unconditionally, otherwise I don't think Snape would be in the Order. Ok, so if he trusts Snape, why doesn't he allow him to be DADA teacher? I think that it lies in the danger that it would create for SNAPE, not for the students. Snape's supposed to be playing the part of loyal DE, right? Spy and all that? So IF he were the DADA teacher, he'd be teaching the kids stuff to use AGAINST V. V wouldn't want his loyal DE teaching stuff to Harry Potter that would allow Harry to defeat him. V would probably want Snape to NOT teach the stuff very well- just enough to save appearances in front of DD- and to TRY to teach dark arts to some of the kids secretly- like Draco. And of course, Draco would tell his father whether or not he was being taught dark arts, and so V would hear about Snape's activities. So, DD's trying to protect Snape by keeping him in a rather neutral subject. I think that once V is defeated (or Snape's true loyalties are revealed, whichever comes first), then he will get the DADA job right away.

Posted Nov 5, 2003 at 5:20 PM EST

Patronus

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Expecto Patronum says:

Hey..Welcome to the discussions, legilimens and vibs!!

I hate it when I leave for awhile and then come back and have so many posts to catch up on.

First off, I'm still hesitant that Mark Evans is significant as he was only mentioned the one time but I'm keeping my mind open. The wand issue: Harry won't be able to kill (if that's what's going to happen) V with his wand or the Avada Kadavra he couldn't he perform the Crucio on Bellatrix. As we've discovered Harry doesn't have it in him to use the unforgivable curses, esp. the AK so if V is destined to be executed it won't be with any of that.

I think the relationship between him and the Dursley's will be strained still as it always is but they will definitely keep themselves in check around him. Besides he'll be able to use magic after the sixth year right? He can take care of his own, he's dealth with far more than the sticks and stones they throw at him.

YAY for Prof Lupin for makin the 600 mark, woohoo! I hope ya'll will be just as ecstatic when I make the 100 which will be soon w/ all the posts i'm putting in.

Posted Nov 5, 2003 at 5:29 PM EST

Patronus

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Expecto Patronum says:

Do we know that V thinks Snape is a spy and his loyal DE? Is that where Snape went at the end of the fourth book when DD asked him to do that thing? I was wondering about that. I don't think Snape went back, or else it would've been brought up in the fifth book somehow but that's not necessarily true since none of the kids could overhear/be a part of the meetings. When V was going around the circle of DE's he never mentioned Snape's absence. The loyal DE at Hogwart's he mentioned was Barty Crouch Jr so I don't get that either.

Posted Nov 5, 2003 at 5:35 PM EST

Supreme Mugwump

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S.P.E.W. fan says:

lightheart I really like the idea that teaching Harry one on one was a test of character, shall we say for Snape.
legilimens I also think that Mark Evans must be related to Lily's family. I think his age(he'd be ready for Hogwarts next year I think) is also important.
Professor Alchy Totally agree that Dumbledore is protecting Snape. But why not just tell him that he's never going to hire him as DADA teacher if that really is his intentions. Dumbledore has hidden his reasons for doing what he does, but wouldn't Snape be happier at HOgwarts if we'd know that he was always going to be the Potions master and just move on? Oh, that's right, Snape doesn't know how to just move on, and that's why he's stuck as the Potions master(no offense Andaxia, it's a wonderful job!!)

Posted Nov 5, 2003 at 5:39 PM EST

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S.P.E.W. fan says:

EXPHP I have a sneaky suspicion that Voldemort is on to Snape's double agent ways, but he is not willing to cut him off. Voldemort can still use Snape and esentially keep the Order in the dark about what he really knows.

Posted Nov 5, 2003 at 5:42 PM EST

Order of Merlin, 2nd Class

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lightheart says:

S.P.E.W fan
Careful, you're risking the full rath of Andaxia for suggesting Snape move on - she's only just given herself the position of Assistant Professor of Potions and I guess her love potion needs a bit more time to brew...

ephp
I think it was Ima (sorry if I've got that wrong) who suggested a few hundred posts ago that in fact Snape was in the circle and was the one who got in the way of Voldemort when he was aiming the AK at Harry as he was running away. Not all the DE's were mentioned by name when Voldi went round the circle.

Posted Nov 5, 2003 at 5:48 PM EST

Patronus

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Expecto Patronum says:

That definitely makes sense, lightheart thanks. He didn't mention everyone in the circle but just one thing still. The only way for Snape to get from the graveyard back to Hogwart's that fast is to Apparate and you're not allowed to do that. He went up with McGonnagal and DD to the DADA office where Crouch took Harry and so he would've had to get back some insanely fast way. So I'm thinking he wasn't there in the graveyard.

Posted Nov 5, 2003 at 5:56 PM EST

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S.P.E.W. fan says:

lightheart I'm crossing my fingers with Andaxia, but I hoping that I'm furthering her career opportunities. Now that she's the assistant Potions professor(can you have assistant and master in the same title?) she'd be right in line for a promotion.

Posted Nov 5, 2003 at 6:00 PM EST

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Alchemist 530 says:

Yeah, V must be pretty slow if he hasn't figured out about Snape yet, BUT... what I keep thinking is that SNAPE is the ONLY ONE who can lie to V and V not know it. V's really cocky, so he thinks that he can ALWAYS TELL when people are lying. So when he questions Snape "are you working for DD or for me?", and Snape says "you", V believes him, because he thinks that he can ALWAYS tell when people are lying. That's how I explain it, anyways.

About the graveyard scene- I think that the "coward who didn't show up" was Snape, and the one who's "left the service forever" was Karkaroff. (Thats a big quote from GoF) Either that or he KNEW that Snape couldn't leave Hogwarts without being detected, so didn't say anything about him.

SPEW- I dont think that DD said that he will NEVER make Snape DADA teacher- I think he told him that he would eventually, when things were over.

About Mark Evans- Ok, he's 10, one year away from Hogwarts, AND he has Lily's maiden name AND he lives by Harry AND JK mentioned him before we KNOW Lily's maiden name AND he's way easy to overlook the first time. TOO COOINCIDENTAL! NEON LIGHTS FLASHING, PEOPLE!!! So many bells and whisles went off in my brain when I read that that I thought a parade was coming through. He's coming back. No question. If I had a farm, I'd bet it.

Posted Nov 5, 2003 at 6:16 PM EST

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Expecto Patronum says:

hehe, you funny Prof Alchy. If you had a farm you'd bet it..genius I say.

So that must be it then, perhaps he's the DE that was too coward to return which makes sense since he's with DD now. Didn't V say that he would die? As I type that you know what I'm thinkin? That V will come after Snape and Harry will have to save Snape even tho he despises him. He'll have an angel on one shoulder, the devil on the other and it'll be a battle between should he save Snape purely out of Harry's desire to play hero or leave Snape to his own devices?

Posted Nov 5, 2003 at 6:22 PM EST

Animagus

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Sirius-Ella says:

Hairy Potter, what relationship?! I refuesed to watch anything with J.k. before the book came out as I figured, I would get some of the hints and just not want to read the book or something...what relationship are we talking about here? please tell mee!!!!!!!!


-sirius-ella-

Posted Nov 5, 2003 at 6:35 PM EST

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Alchemist 530 says:

SE- I think she said something about the whole series of books rests on a relationship- and its not one that we expect, or anything like that.

EXHP- Aww, thanks! But yeah, I dont think it'll be much of a choice for Harry- like him or not, he's not just going to let Snape fry... thats just cruel.

Posted Nov 5, 2003 at 6:40 PM EST

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Expecto Patronum says:

Hey no problem, that's why I'm here to dish out the compliments!

That's true, Harry wouldn't sit back and let V kill Snape but i'm just sayin that's a distint possiblity that V will try to kill him. Or maybe capture him in some way. And at some point Harry will have to save him. I doubt Snape will have any sense of gratitude toward him but there's always wishin.

Posted Nov 5, 2003 at 6:49 PM EST

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Expecto Patronum says:

Ok, I want to add an avatar w/ my name when I post and I have the picture but how do I get the URL to put it on there? Really I'm computer literate but I seem to be having troubles and i'm looking rather plain :(

Posted Nov 5, 2003 at 7:00 PM EST

Metamorphmagus

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tonks black says:

professor alchy
Nice idea on DD not letting snaoe teach DADA for his own safety
expectopatronumhp
We cant be sure the loyal DE was crouch unless voldemort said it plain out, "Crouch is my most loyal DE" and i dont recall him saying that.
To get a URL of a picture just host one yourself or right click a picture and click properries then get the URL on the screen that should pop up.

Posted Nov 5, 2003 at 7:30 PM EST

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TheOneWhoMustBeNamed says:

I just can't see how Voldemort does not know that Snape is a spy for Deumbledore. I go all the way back to book one, where Voldemort was a part of Quirell and Snape confronted Q on his loyalties no knowing Voldemort was there. The only way Voldemort could be mislead is if he thinks (through his arrogance) that Snape is a double spy working for him and pretending to Dumbledore.

Finally, Voldemort should read his history of Hogwarts. Maybe he should check with Hermione. According to that and all we heard nobody can just materialize into or out of Hogwarts. Thus, no DE loyal or not could come if on the grounds of Hogwarts. Snape knew he was called by the DE mark, but could do nothing. Although I suppose he could have walked to Hogsmeade during the confusion and left then. Finally, not sure if the Q field is considered a covered part of the Hogwarts grounds.

Posted Nov 5, 2003 at 7:46 PM EST

Witch

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Lady Aya says:

My thoughts on the fifth book were ... Acutaly simpanty.. it was suprising how umbirge , i know spelled worng, and her abuse of power mirrored my own highschool at the time.. Scarry.. OH and how i wanted to get in there and teach that fat evil thing a lession... Man i was so happy when the centars came at her... I literly screamed with joy... Sirus dieing well was sad i cryed alot but it was so britly writen that i acutaly saw a slowmotion thing of his death.. Cool.. Bascily this book was far darker than any of the books thus far... Meaning i loved it, its not a cute little witch story, but one that probly made alot of kids cry and parents mad.. And my favortae line from the book came from ron himself [i]And form now on I dont care if my tea leaves spell Die Ron Die[i] i laughed so hard at that.. Well Bye!

Lady Aya

Posted Nov 5, 2003 at 8:06 PM EST

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Alchemist 530 says:

EXHP: Have you hosted the avatar yourself? That means that you put up the picture on a bit of webspace, so that it has an http://..... If not, then ask real nice for someone on the site to host it for you- like Andaxia or Sirius-ella, I think that they both have webspace. Then copy-paste the URL thing into your profile. Hope that helps.

Posted Nov 5, 2003 at 9:01 PM EST

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Expecto Patronum says:

Oh gotcha Prof Alchy..I have no idea about doing that so if I see either of them posting i'll see if either of them can do that for me. Thanks for the help.

This V/Snape/DD triangle is a big mystery. Snape used to be a DE and before V's downfall he left to go to the other side. Has it ever been discussed why Snape made this decision? I mean what made him all the sudden stop supporting V to go to the other side? Heck, mayne Snape still is the bad guy and will show is true colors in the end, maybe he is a spy for V.

Posted Nov 5, 2003 at 9:27 PM EST

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Expecto Patronum says:

And maybe I need to take some spelling lessons!

Posted Nov 5, 2003 at 9:28 PM EST

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TheOneWhoMustBeNamed says:

Professor Lupin

You always mention we should vote on the top website lists. I did today, and I noticed that the count totals all reset. We ended 1 and 2 on one list, and are now 11 on Mugglenet.

Any idea why this happened? Maybe CHEESER knows?

Posted Nov 5, 2003 at 9:44 PM EST

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Alchemist 530 says:

Theres a lot about Snape that we don't know- just about everything, in fact. My theory about what made DD trust Snape- I think Snape finally realised what he was doing- maybe he was asked to do something (or did something) that finally made him understand what he was doing. He then went to DD, and just begged him to help get him out of this. So DD- being kind and benevolent, but not stupid- gave Snape the task of spying of V. No risk to DD, but some to Snape. So Snape does this, and tells DD that V overheard the prophecy. DD realizes the importance of this info, and tips off the Potters about what's going to happen. DD also knows how much Snape hates James, and yet he risked his own neck (by spying on V) to get the info to protect him. DD takes this as proof of Snape's loyalties, especially when V actually DOES start coming after the Potters. That's my theory, anyways... it seems a little TOO obvious to me, if you know what I mean, so Im betting that theres going to be a big twist thrown into it- something REALLY weird, like Snape is James' brother or something. AND then again, Snape really could tunr out bad- but I just cant see JK wasting all that character development on a guy that just turns bad, the end... seems like a waste. He's gotta serve a more useful puropse in the book.

Posted Nov 5, 2003 at 9:44 PM EST

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rache says:

Lady Aya Welcome to the boards
Prof. Alchy I dont think that Snape is really bad, I just think that he has a major rivelry with James/Sirius/Harry [ADERR] and that he went to ourside with great personal risk Hmm...

Posted Nov 5, 2003 at 10:16 PM EST

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Expecto Patronum says:

That's also a good theory, Prof Alchy. If Snape did leave because he realized what he was doing then it's not possible that he's still on the Dark Side and spying for V. V obviously feels betrayed by him and will go to great lengths to get to him. And if he did come to DD begging for help then perhaps this is why he is in employment at Hogwart's, because he knows he is well protected and it will be hard for V to get him.

I have so many thoughts regarding this and it's all a jumble I'm sure I'll post when I get it all cleared up in my wee brain.

Posted Nov 5, 2003 at 10:17 PM EST