Discussion: The 'Phoenix' files

Professor

House: Gryffindor
Points: 1106

Ima Quidditch Fan says:

Mad-Eye - I found this and another...

Perseus was the son of Zeus and Danae. His grandfather Acrisius, alarmed by an oracle which had told him that his daughter's child would be the instrument of his death, caused the mother and child to be shut up in a chest and set adrift on the sea. The chest floated towards Seriphus, where it was found by a fisherman who conveyed the mother and infant to Polydectes, the king of the country, by whom they were treated with kindness. When Perseus was grown up Polydectes sent him to attempt the conquest of Medusa, a terrible monster who had laid waste the country. She was once a beautiful maiden whose hair was her chief glory, but as she dared to vie in beauty with Athena, the goddess deprived her of her charms and changed her beautiful ringlets into hissing serpents. She became a cruel monster of so frightening an aspect that no living thing could behold her without being turned into stone. All around the cavern where she dwelt might be seen the stony figures of men and animals which had chanced to catch a glimpse of her and had been petrified with the sight. Perseus, favored by Athena and Hermes, the former of whom lent him her shield and the latter his winged shoes, approached Medusa while she slept, and taking care not to look directly at her, but guided by her image reflected in the bright shield which he bore, he cut off her head and gave it to Athena, who fixed it in the middle of her Aegis.

Posted Jul 11, 2003 at 11:41 PM EST

Professor

House: Gryffindor
Points: 1106

Ima Quidditch Fan says:

, continuing his flight, arrived at the country of the Ethiopians, of which Cepheus was king. Cassiopeia his queen, proud of her beauty, had dared to compare herself to the Sea-Nymphs, which roused their indignation to such a degree that they sent a prodigious sea-monster to ravage the coast. To appease the deities, Cepheus was directed by the oracle to expose his daughter Andromeda to be devoured by the monster. As Perseus looked down from his aerial height he beheld Andromeda chained to a rock, and waiting the approach of the serpent. She was so pale and motionless that if it had not been for her flowing tears and her hair that moved in the breeze, he would have taken her for a marble statue. He was so startled at the sight that he almost forgot to wave his wings.
As he hovered over her he said, "O virgin, undeserving of those chains, but rather of such as bind fond lovers together, tell me, I beseech you, your name, and the name of your country, and why you are thus bound." At first she was silent from modesty, and, if she could, would have hid her face with her hands; but when he repeated his questions, for fear she might be thought guilty of some fault which she dared not tell, she disclosed her name and that of her country, and her mother's pride of beauty. Before she had done speaking, a sound was heard off upon the water, and the sea-monster appeared, with his head raised above the surface, cleaving the waves with his broad breast. Andromeda shrieked, the father and mother who had now arrived at the scene, wretched both, but the mother more justly so, stood by, not able to afford protection, but only to pour forth lamentations and to embrace the victim. Then spoke Perseus: "There will be time enough for tears; this hour is all we have for rescue.

Posted Jul 11, 2003 at 11:42 PM EST

Professor

House: Gryffindor
Points: 1106

Ima Quidditch Fan says:

OK.. theory on Snape is Perseus...
I'm not sure who said is now, maybe mad-eye... anyway, killing Medusa, if she is Bellatrix is probable. I also think that it is interesting that Tonks' mother is named Andromeda. Could this be another clue?

Posted Jul 11, 2003 at 11:46 PM EST

Professor

House: Gryffindor
Points: 1106

Ima Quidditch Fan says:

Sweet Dreams Mad-Eye and jade!

OK... final Outlandish theory for me tonight.

A thirsty Grawp having unknowingly lessoned the population of centaurs, sees the lake, and moves toward it. MerCheiftess Mercusio (sp?) calls for her people to hide... but Grawp reaches for her and takes her arm, she is tossed helplessly into the air. The giant squid comes to her resque and wraps his tentacles around Grawp. Then they magically transport to a frozen lake with a mirror image of Hogwartz. It is not Durmstrang, it is Hogwartz, but it isn't. And on the shore by the lake sits a boy playing with a snitch, and messing up his hair. Grawp is released and he stomps into the forest. The squid moves back across the lake... and he hears "Snivilus".

Posted Jul 12, 2003 at 12:00 AM EST

Headmaster
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Posted Jul 12, 2003 at 12:42 AM EST

Squib

House: Gryffindor
Points: 109

Remus_lupin says:

Why do you think DD cried at the end of the conversation with HP was it possible that he knhows more that what he told harry and that he should die with Voldermort to bring to end the dark arts existence in the Wizard world

Posted Jul 12, 2003 at 6:44 AM EST

Squib

House: Gryffindor
Points: 109

Remus_lupin says:

Does any one think that harry's ability to perform wandless magic is a rare trait and will it help him in his fight against the dark forces. To my knowladge he didnt speak to any of his friends about this (thinking it is quite common) among wizards. Like in the case of "Lumo" before fighting the demontors and in the case of the invisible force with which he struggles of MR Dursely

Posted Jul 12, 2003 at 7:02 AM EST

Metamorphmagus

House: Gryffindor
Points: 37939

tonks black says:

Ima Quidditch Fan - i never thought about lily being in slytherin. that could explain whu she told james to leave snape alone and so on.
WitchyWays-i never thought about DD being a metamorphus. i think the person to learn magic late in life will be petunia or maybe nevilles parents will recover and learn some magic all over?
remus_lupin - i dont think that harry thinks it is a rare trait. he didnt even know he could speak to snakes and i dont think he was suprised when they told him he was one of the few people who could. maybe since harry was born with all these or got them when voldemort tried to kill him , he could maybe be a metamorphogus
now that i have responded to this page, time for my predictions. i think DD mkght be a seer. in GoF,I believe that in the end of the series we will learn more about Professor Dumbledore. I believe that we will learn that he is a True Seer. Some examples are when Harry went in after the stone, Dumbledore just knew he was there and he was just in time. in OoP, how did DD know to go to the ministry building(im not sure if it was stated why and i didnt read it carefully) And in GOF, Dumbledore busts in on Crouch as Mad-Eye Moody, right when he is about to finish off Harry.Also, how can he always know when someone is telling the truth? like be believed harry about sirius and voldemort and one of the only ways to know if it was the truth at that moment is to see ahead of you and see what really happens in the future. if you comment on this, be sure to put in my whole name so i can read it.

Posted Jul 12, 2003 at 8:09 AM EST

Professor

House: Gryffindor
Points: 1012

Imperio says:

tonks black- I like your idea about Neville's parents being cured and I think that it might come when they are avenged and Bellatrix is dead or when Neville does something extremely brave and impressive. I don't think that Dumbledore is a seer though, when Dumbledore went after Harry in SS he was contacted by Hermione's owl. In GoF Dumbledore knew it wasn't the real Moody because the real Moody wouldn't have removed Harry from his sight. In OotP he knew to go to the Ministry because he had used Legilimens against Kreacher.

Posted Jul 12, 2003 at 9:29 AM EST

Animagus

House: Gryffindor
Points: 19544

Sirius-Ella says:

Hello again!
WOW gone 2 1/2 days and there are more then a 100 more posts. While I was gone I was fineshing up the 5th book again I absoulty love everyones wonderful theries. Althought I still have doubts about people saying that Sirius won't come back, I know he won't come back....but there has to be some way for Harry to contact Sirius in the "Other World". I'm past the pensieve part where Harry see's James beating on Snivellis...Even thought I'v already read it...I was still mad at finding out James was so er---um arrogent..but was relieved that he did deflait his head a bit. I myself really wanna see more of theses memories with James in Hogwarts...I found it amusing how James fluffed his hair up when he heard lily say LEAVE HIM ALONE. *hem hem* anyway I still stand by the thought that Harry and gang will unite the school....yes syltherin to..I don't know how..maybe he will find someone nice in slytherin or Draco will decide to be good..and even know Harry will be the only one to figth voldemort I belive the d.e.'s will escape again and the scool and order of phoenix will fight against them and help Harry..I have a bad feeling that Lupin will die in the 6th year cause he is my favorite character next to sirius..and peter still has the wizard debt doesn't he? maybe peter will save harrys life with sacrifice or something...anyway...WHO LOVED FRED AND GEORGE in this book?!! I absoulty admire them (salute to fred and georgy) I better stop typeing....CHOW

Posted Jul 12, 2003 at 12:00 PM EST

Prefect

House: Ravenclaw
Points: 361

LaDonna says:

I didn't even think about Dumbledore being a seer, but he says in Book 5 that he didn't know if he would continue that class in school when he heard the prophecy regarding Harry/Neville.
I think that Neville's like of Herbology may someday lead to a cure for his parents. Maybe he's working so hard on things like that and in this book D.A. that he's not paying attention to other things (potions).

Posted Jul 12, 2003 at 12:03 PM EST

Marauder says:

I agree that Fawkes is starting to play a bigger role and DD is finally using him to do things.
I'm sure that we will find out if Harry's ability to do wandless magic is rare and powerful or just something many wizards can do. I think his ability to do wandless magic goes along with the fact that he his a powerful wizard and that he will be one of the most powerful wizards that we have seen in the books. I know we will find out more about Harry's abilities, but I think whatever they are will proove that he is very powerful.

Posted Jul 12, 2003 at 12:04 PM EST

Squib

House: Gryffindor
Points: 109

Remus_lupin says:

We havent still found the significance of Godric Hollow... where the Potters died.

My ideas what book 6 will reveal are..

1. Godric hollow and its significance (place where the potter's died)

2. What Luna and HP heard behind the veil ..

3. Luna's mother and what she did when she died (the experiment)... doubtful.

4. We will be seeing a lot of Bellatrix and she will probably die.

5. The thing that harry sees in DD office in the silver instrument (two smoke snakes coming out...) and DD saying in essence divided..

Posted Jul 12, 2003 at 12:14 PM EST

Animagus

House: Gryffindor
Points: 19544

Sirius-Ella says:

OH! and another thing I know this was probably already figured out but I figured it out my self or atleast I thought I did.........anyway I noticed.............when Harry,Ron, And Prof. Mcgonagall went to dumbledores office concerning the dream/vision about Mr. Weasley bitten...Mcgonagall knocked on the door with the Griffon Knocker..Does this mean that Dumbledore was in gryffendor? Cause I looked up what Griffon was..its a half lion/half human or something....what do you guys think..please tell me with my name in bold po-lease

Posted Jul 12, 2003 at 12:25 PM EST

Squib

House: Gryffindor
Points: 109

Remus_lupin says:

I think DD could be in Gryfindor Siriusella .

I would also think that Tom Riddle hated DD during his school days while DD was a Transfiguration teacher. And one reason might be because he was in slytherin.


Sorry if iam repeating one of earlier queries do anyone of you think that during harry's duel with Voldie at the end of GOF (Priori Incantem )- why the scar didnt vanish or do something while all the other spells were in a way reversed.

Posted Jul 12, 2003 at 12:36 PM EST

Squib

House: Gryffindor
Points: 109

Remus_lupin says:

Sorry DD was in Griffindor and Tom was in Slytherin

Posted Jul 12, 2003 at 12:37 PM EST

Snape's Woman
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House: Ravenclaw
Points: 5392

Prof. Andaxia Moonstar says:

Some responses, ideas, and questions:

Someone mentioned a while ago (I'm sorry, I have forgotten who you were) that Slytherin could not be possessing Nagini because Voldemort said that the snakes he possessed didn't live long. It could still be possible. Perhaps Voldemort hadn't perfected the art of possessing animals or maybe Nagini was specially bred for possession.

Any theories as to what Dudley's horrible memory was (what he experienced during the dementor attack)?

Also, any theories as to why DD allows Peeves to remain at Hogwarts? All he seems to do is create trouble and utter chaos. There must be a reason he hasn't been evicted yet.

On the subject of the Death Eaters, the ones we know of are Nott, Crabbe, Goyle, MacNair, Lucius, Wormtail, and Avery. Voldemort also mentions the Lestranges, three dead, one coward, one gone forever, and one loyal servant at Hogwarts. Harry saw about thirty DE's, so that leaves about fifteen unnamed. Who else was under the hood? Snape? Bagman? Umbridge? Also, how many were freed from Azkaban? Voldemort stated in GOF that there were two in Azkaban (Bellatrix and someone else - the other Lestrange?), but in OOTP it sounded like there were more than that.

Interesting theory about DD possibly being a True Seer. It probably takes one to know one, and DD was going to dismiss Trelawney after her interview until she gave the prophecy. He also seemed to know that her second prophecy (in POA) was genuine as well. And Imperio, a note of clarification - in SS, DD says he never received Hermione's owl. He says they must have crossed in midair, and that he left London as soon as he got there because he knew he should be back at Hogwarts. I agree with your other two references, though.

Sorry this was so long. Just got done reading over 200 more posts. :)

Posted Jul 12, 2003 at 12:48 PM EST

Metamorphmagus

House: Gryffindor
Points: 37939

tonks black says:

Siriusella - i agree. fred and george were even cooler than usual in this book.
Remus_lupin -DD was the transfiguration teacher? thats interesting..maybe after the current head master dies, the transfiguration teacher is always the next person in charge ..
Andaxia Moonstar - maybe peeves is a spy of some sort? and maybe he was a DE and he is telling DD stuff little by little and thats why he gets to stay.and thanks for agreeing about DD being a true seer.

Posted Jul 12, 2003 at 1:00 PM EST

Head Girl

House: Gryffindor
Points: 479

eclektic says:

wow. jus one day that im not online and there's like a million other posts..

abt snape and his job for the order of the phoenix:
i really think that he's still working as a spy for voldemort and finding stuff out from the death eaters themselves. realise that lucius malfoy still trusts him to a large extent? on top of that when harry asks him what his job was and he did say to an extent that it was smtg to do with spying and all of that. he is superb at occlumency ( a point that i mentioned before) which means that despite voldemort's attempts at wanting to find out the truth from him, he is able to fend off that external penetration.

some pple have been feeling sympathetic towards him becos if his past and all of that but its funny that despite reading abt in the book i still feel that there's smtg more to snapre than meets the eye. its tough to pin point what it is exactly but i guess its jus like what ron say's in the book, 'a spotted toadstool never changes its spots..' well, smtg like that..

abt the love triangle thing btw harry ron and hermione:
hmm, i really think that the relationship btw harry and hermione is jus platonic. i mean, i dun think that she's leading the two guys on and its pretty clear that she cares for ron beyond the friendship boundary. i mean, she did give ron a kiss before the 1st quidditch match of the season and she did have a row with him in the goblet of fire abt him not asking her to the yule ball. she gives harry advice and thus is comfortable to confide with him without feeling all uncomfortable abt it. after all, she did encourage him to ask cho out and there wasnt a tinge of jealousy at all..

Posted Jul 12, 2003 at 1:52 PM EST

Head Girl

House: Gryffindor
Points: 479

eclektic says:

someone mentione abt neville being the one who finally kills voldemort.. my view? NO WAY
i realised that there have been numerous posts abt the prophecy and how the ultimate twist wld be that harry wasnt the savior but it turns out that neville wld be instead?
i think that the most defining thing of who is the savior of mankind frm voldemort is seen by the fact that he has to be marked as an equal by voldemort himself that did not happen to neville at all. i dont oppose the possibility that he might play a part in causing the downfall of voldemort but i dont belive that he wld be the conclusive force in his downfall ultimately. that wld jus be contradictory to the whole point of the potter series wldnt it? i mean, the book is abt harry after all..

Posted Jul 12, 2003 at 2:01 PM EST

Witch

House: Gryffindor
Points: 661

Flitterbloom says:

Wow! a lot has happened since last night on here. Well, I just finished reading the new posts and I have to say.. Great theories everyone. I mean, I never really thought before why Peeves was still there. Thats a good question though. And eclektic, I agree with you that I don't think Neville has much to do with the Prophecy anymore. I do think that he is going to play a huge role, and someone mentioned that perhaps he will find a cure for his parents illness since he's best at herbology.. I think that is an excellent excellent observation. I really think that his plant Mimbulus Mimbletonia will come more into play in the next books too.

Posted Jul 12, 2003 at 2:35 PM EST

Squib

House: Gryffindor
Points: 109

Remus_lupin says:

Well My next insight into what could happen in Book 6 is about the Giants and Elves Reunion with the wizard world to fight Voldermort.

I think Hermoine will be successful in the pusuit for Elf freedom and will play a big part in book 6

Posted Jul 12, 2003 at 3:07 PM EST

Professor

House: Gryffindor
Points: 1012

Imperio says:

Remus_lupin- That's a good observation about Hermione playing a role in uniting the House-Elfs with the wizards to fight Voldemort. I think it was Fred and/or George that once said to Harry that they have powerful magic of their own and I don't think JKR would leave that hanging... Exciting new thought!

Posted Jul 12, 2003 at 3:10 PM EST

Head Girl

House: Gryffindor
Points: 479

eclektic says:

flitterbloom:
i was hesitant at first to believe that neville's plant wld have a larger role in the book but jkr does provide links to all her books and im not surprised if it has a part somewhere along the way. i think a good example wld be that of the mandrake plant that was used in the curing of the petrified pple on COS.

luna lovegood:
im not too sure abt that to be honest. it seems that the scar does only act up when voldemort feels strong emotions. like a voldemort radar so to speak. i think the most important purpose of the scar itself is to provide that link between harry and voldie and it is very useful since we are given an insight to the latter's thoughts. but the trouble is that now voldie is aware of that link and that he's now able to manipulate harry's thoughts as seen with the MOM episode. the question now is HOW is harry going to be able to discern which is real and which is merely mental manipulation. i think this will be real tricky becos on one hand, its dead useful to know what voldie's thinking but real dangerous if he's able to control harry's mind.

Posted Jul 12, 2003 at 3:10 PM EST

Squib

House: Gryffindor
Points: 164

Kadyak says:

Jumping back to the Crookshanks discussion in the 1526-1550 range of posts:

It is quite true that Crookshanks seems to have a little more of a "human" personality than one would expect. It is very curious, that Mundungus Fletcher is also bandy-legged and has orange hair. A cat might also be a very good form for a character like MF to take as an animal. Putting this all together this question is quite compelling. Still, it's not conclusive, and I have one major problem with it: If MF really is Crookshanks, why isn't Hermione complaining that Crookshanks keeps disappearing on her for extended periods of time? I suppose Hermione could be in the know, but that doesn't really ring true with me. I am more inclined to think that this is a red herring.

Posted Jul 12, 2003 at 3:13 PM EST

Squib

House: Gryffindor
Points: 109

Remus_lupin says:

Well eclektic nice thought about JKR leaving bits about trees in earlier books. Remember Devils Snare, Mandrake, Whomping Willow and of course now Nevilles Plant. As you say its defensive mechanism that Neville mentioned will play a role coming books

Posted Jul 12, 2003 at 3:18 PM EST