Discussion: The 'Phoenix' files

Old Chortlebones

House: Hufflepuff
Points: 2601

Newt Scamander says:

HarryDan - Has it been confirmed that someone close to Harry will die? I presume that the Order will experience more losses, but I hadn't heard anything for sure about the sixth book. If it is one of the trio who dies in the sixth book, it would probably be Ron. I see Hermione as a parallel to Lily, being Muggle born, retorting at bullies (Draco), at first hating someone who (I believe) she loves (Viktor Krum). If she dies, I predict it will be as a sacrifice to Harry, just as Lily did. Of course, that could happen in the sixth book rather than the seventh, but it seems more climatic and better placed being in the end of this big story.

As of now, the Gryffindor Quidditch team looks like this:

Seeker - Harry Potter
Keeper - Ron Weasley
Chaser - Ginny Weasley (I presume, not confirmed)
Chaser - [blank]*
Chaser - [blank]**
Beater - Replacement 1***
Beater - Replacement 2***

* - I would venture a guess at someone below sixth year that we will meet for the first time.
** - This is unexpected, but with his growing powers...Neville?
*** - I forget their names and don't have my book handy. Anyone remember?

Does anyone else have any thoughts on who will fill the (probably) two empty Chaser spots? Will the Beaters stay or be replaced? And, of course: who will be captain? Will it be Harry, Ron, or someone else? If the DA continues, I would say that Harry has his bags full and wouldn't be made captain. I think it will either be Ron or someone other than those two. Your thoughts?

I have many questions, and I know how to ask them. ::Laughs::

Posted Jul 16, 2003 at 7:45 PM EST

Animagus

House: Gryffindor
Points: 19544

Sirius-Ella says:

Has anyone wondered about that girl that keeps being mentioned for her acne? Whats her name and is she in Gryffindor?....just wondering..maybe in one of these books she'll play a more importent part...maybe quidditch if she is in gryffindor ofcourse.
-sirius-ella-

Posted Jul 16, 2003 at 8:30 PM EST

Squib

House: Gryffindor
Points: 130

CheriK says:

Leslie: I like you idea about Harry killing Voldemort. It is very interesting.. but I still think that both are goign to die.. either that, of Dumbledore will die, while fighting Voldie, and Harry will get so mad that he will go on a rampage and kill Voldemort. Whether Harry will ever die after that, I have no clue, but certainly, it is a very big possibility...

Also, if Harry can posses a weapon, should Voldie have a weapon of his own that he can use?

AND: has anyone every thought of some sort of fire being the weapon that Harry uses? I mean, there are so many fire refrences, and I know lots of people have noticed that too, so just putting two and two together, wouldnt that be the case? I know, it is really far fetched, but it is a possibility...

And Eloise Midgen MIGHT have a role, but personally, I dont think so. In a recent interview with J.K. Rowling, she said she put in a lot of red herrings, and this might be one of them, because we know she knows we study ever single word she says...

Posted Jul 16, 2003 at 8:35 PM EST

Squib

House: Hufflepuff
Points: 189

willow80 says:

In the prophecy it say one must live while the other dies...so We know that one them (harry or voldemort) will. But my question is what DD said when he was dueling with Voldie. He said that they both knew their was something worse then death. I want to know what that something is. And I would like to know more about the locked door in the department of mysteries...DD didn't really explian it that well, at least i didn't think he did.(maybe when i reread the book i will find i missed it) but I would like to know what in behind it.

As for the quidditch:
seeker: Harry (umbridge isn't there to stop him)
keeper: ron
chaser Katie Bell (in the 5th bk she wasn't in the last year)
chaser2:ginny
chaser3: no clue
beaters 1&2: the same two who are there now(cant remember their names), but I hopw they change them.

Speaking of Umbridge. does anyone remember in the book where Pro. Treleany(sw?) said the She (umbridge would be in great danger. It was right after the interview harry did. So Pro. Trewleany was right and makes me think that she could possible be a seer...or just a really good guesser. and i may be reading t much into it.
(i hope that make sense)

Posted Jul 16, 2003 at 9:16 PM EST

Old Chortlebones

House: Hufflepuff
Points: 2601

Newt Scamander says:

Willow80 - There are many things worse than death, such as Dementor's kisses, and having someone say "Crucio!" a few too many times on you. We'll probably see some more things that Dumbledore knows about in the next books, maybe some weapons that he'll use to make Voldemort suffer until Harry can finally kill him (as Harry must kill him or be killed by him.

All I know about the locked door in the Department of Mysteries is that it contains the research on the weapon of love. We might learn a bit more on how it can be used now that some of the "Evans love magic" has worn off after Voldemort's resurrection.

Trelawney, as has been proven, is definetly a real Seer, and there is no question. She made two Prophecies: the one which binds Harry to Voldemort, and the one in Harry's third year where she tells of Voldemort's rise to power and his faithful servant helping him there. Considering everything else (the non-trance-like statements), we can only assume that she makes a couple educated guesses. ::Shrugs::

Posted Jul 16, 2003 at 9:24 PM EST

Muggle

House: Gryffindor
Points: 32

Nymphadora says:

du remember when Gandalf falls with the Balrog and everybody assumes he died, but in fact he didin't and when he returns he's no longer "the grey", but "the white" with enhanced powers? Well, for me, Sirius death was so sudden and stupid that I keep wondering whether his "death" was simply a passage to a new level and he might return... Du reckon that's toooo much hope?

by the way, I hope Cho stays out of the plot. She really bothered me with her moanings. And Harry deserves far better girls.

Posted Jul 16, 2003 at 9:53 PM EST

Muggle

House: Gryffindor
Points: 32

Nymphadora says:

HGreenbacker8705 I know, I know, it's just that little girl inside me trying to feed hope!!! And even in the wizarding world, generations have a beginning and an ending. Have you tried to imagine what this "saga" would be like if she (JK) decided to kill Harry, once, according to the prophecy only one can survive?
By the way, what's this "Voldie" thing? Heavens, how come have u become so intimate to this creature? (joking...)

Posted Jul 16, 2003 at 10:23 PM EST

Auror

House: Gryffindor
Points: 2303

padfoot5312 says:

HGreenbacker8705 and LaDonna I agree that love and emotion will kill him. He couldn’t even stand to be in Harry’s body. I think he can be killed now that he has some of Harry’s blood in him.

Posted Jul 16, 2003 at 10:33 PM EST

Auror

House: Gryffindor
Points: 2303

padfoot5312 says:

Do you think that the final battle will included: Aragog and his family, unicorns, centaur, some giants, goblins and house-elves all doing battle against dark lord

Posted Jul 16, 2003 at 10:38 PM EST

Snape's Woman
(Moderator)

House: Ravenclaw
Points: 5392

Prof. Andaxia Moonstar says:

I agree that Sirius' death was necessary (albeit very painful). Harry learned some hard lessons - don't be too rash in your decisions, think things through, remember all your allies (Snape is an Order member, after all), nobody is perfect (not even DD). Oh, and listen to Hermione. Because of this death, Harry will mature and become a more responsible, knowledgeable leader. Sirius' death could actually prevent more people from dying.

Reading back through the series, I noticed a couple of things:

Why is the Bloody Baron the only one who can control Peeves? Some people think that maybe the Baron killed Peeves, but from what I know of metaphysics and ghost studies (which isn't a lot, I'll admit) ghosts are deceased souls who haven't moved on, while poltergeists are energy beings, who were never "alive" as we define alive. Any theories as to their connection?

Another question - exactly how close were the Potters to DD? They obviously trusted him immensely, as they told him their plans of performing the Fidelius Charm, and James entrusted his Invisibility Cloak to DD for safekeeping. Is it just because they were in the Order? Are they related? Argh, I wish I knew more!!! Most likely, it has to do with the three times they defied him.

I'm surprised no one has commented on the mimbulus mimbletonia and mimblewimble comment I made. *Pout* :)
Oh well - love reading the theories - they keep getting better!

Posted Jul 17, 2003 at 1:01 AM EST

Snape's Woman
(Moderator)

House: Ravenclaw
Points: 5392

Prof. Andaxia Moonstar says:

Sorry for double-posting.

Clarification: I meant to say "the three times they defied Voldemort", not "they defied him"

Posted Jul 17, 2003 at 1:05 AM EST

Witch

House: Gryffindor
Points: 643

Hermaninny says:

hermione2006, I agree with you about Cho. While she still is not a character I care for too much, you really can't blame her for being frusterated with Harry. He just doesn't 'get' girls yet, does he?

As far as a little more food for thought...did anyone realize the person Dumbledore vanquished in 1945 was Grimwauld. Do you notice a name of a street that a certain mansion resides on with a similar name?

And how about the prophesy saying 'one cannot live while the other survives'...does that mean for the next two years that Voldemort isn't going to have very much power? He was nonexistant for the first 13 years of Harry's life, and if you think about it, he hasn't done nearly what he did before yet. Curious...

By the way, http://hpprogs.blogspot.com offers a great analysis of the prophesy (and other characters at that) for those who haven't been there yet.

Posted Jul 17, 2003 at 2:24 AM EST

Wizard

House: Slytherin
Points: 533

dimtick says:

I really hate not being a night persan, so I think my morning come to late.
HGreenbacker - I like the quote you said about the character having to die in order to push the other forward. I think that this is true of DD in book 6. I really think that DD has to die inorder to push Harry forward to where he needs to be to get V in book 7. This also ties in with your next comment about DD being able to persuade the other races to join them. I also think that his death will be the only way to get these other races to join the cause. They (elves, giants, centaurs?, goblins) will realize that without DD unity is the only option.
They are at war now, and in war people die.

I also think that one of the Weasley is a gonner. Not Ron, maybe one of the twins.

I don't know who commented about Cho but wanted to say that I really likes Cho but agree that she will never be with Harry again. Cho has been through a very traumatic experience, although you move on there are still "triggers" that will bring up all those bad feelings. Unfortunatly with Cho that trigger is Harry.

As far as James being related to DD. I've started re-reading book 1, and right in the beginning where Harry is being dropped off at the Dursleys, DD sais that Harry has no other living relatives. This seems to be the only time DD refers to both sides of the family. If memory serves all future references seems to be focused on Lily's side of the family (blood relatives - because of Lily's sacrifice), while leaving it open for someone of James side.

Posted Jul 17, 2003 at 8:48 AM EST

Metamorphmagus

House: Gryffindor
Points: 37939

tonks black says:

i agree with sirius needing to come bac. yeah, im a girl and of course i loved his charactor. now enough of that before i get sad. i know what im thinking is a mean way to end the series, but what if everyone harry loved and was close to died so harry could beat voldemort and then harry killed himself after he killed voldemort by jumping threw the veil? i know its very sad and mean to end that way, i just havent heard any ideas like that one yet.

Posted Jul 17, 2003 at 8:49 AM EST

Wizard

House: Slytherin
Points: 533

dimtick says:

carlification first line: so I think my morning COMMENTS come to late. (I really gotta start proofreading better before hitting the post button - lol)

Posted Jul 17, 2003 at 8:49 AM EST

Animagus

House: Gryffindor
Points: 19544

Sirius-Ella says:

Tonks Black:
Interesting theory,
but I don't think Harry
would actually kill himself
he has learned to move on
in the other books I see
no reason why he wouldn't
if that were to happend.
When he dies I hope its of
old age ;) And after reading the
5th book the FIRST time around...
did anyone notice on t.v. that
they are playing those dang Sirius Satillate
radio commercials alot? I think they are trying to
make it harder for me to get over sirius's death lol.....
AND IT HAS A LITTLE DOG LOGO *WAAAAAAAAAAH* s-s-s- s sorrrrrrrryyyy *baw* I can't help it

Posted Jul 17, 2003 at 9:42 AM EST

Auror

House: Gryffindor
Points: 2303

padfoot5312 says:

I-Pie- Remember that Harry is very angry. I think he was pushed over the edge and couldn't control his temper. Remember at the beginning of the book - he was begging for a fight with Dudley.

Posted Jul 17, 2003 at 10:07 AM EST

Auror

House: Gryffindor
Points: 2303

padfoot5312 says:

eclektic - good points on the wand. We choose what path we do with our lives - good or evil.

And about Harry and Hemmione - I too feel that they are close friends and help each other out.

hp_obsesser - McGonagall insults Umbridge right to her face YES I enjoy the humor in it. McGonagall not backing down and insults were great. She kind of set the pace with the other teachers. I love it when they stated they needed her help. They were rebelling in their own way like the students.

Posted Jul 17, 2003 at 10:42 AM EST

Auror

House: Gryffindor
Points: 2303

padfoot5312 says:

tonks black- hopefully if Black comes back in his portrait, but not in his house. That would be awful. Can you imagine being trapped in a house that he didn't like.

Posted Jul 17, 2003 at 11:04 AM EST

Metamorphmagus

House: Gryffindor
Points: 37939

tonks black says:

padfoot5312-i would feel sorry for sirius if he became a portrait if he was in that house now that i think about it. im sure harry has lots of wall space at his house on privet drive and DD would love a new portrait in his office during the school year

Posted Jul 17, 2003 at 11:15 AM EST

Auror

House: Gryffindor
Points: 2303

padfoot5312 says:

tonks black I can't see Petunia having it there but in DD office yes. It would great to have it there next to his gggrandfather.

Posted Jul 17, 2003 at 11:23 AM EST

Squib

House: Gryffindor
Points: 109

Remus_lupin says:

I think this July 31 in book 6 for his 16th birthday harry will get a bunch of cool presents

From Hermoine and Ron as usual
From Lupin as speculated by some may be the portrait of Sirius.
From Tonks intersting stuff like that he received for Christmas.
And Dumbeldore will give some stuff to revive the spirits of Harry like some of James possesions and
And also not forget his OWLs from his school and i do hope he performed very well.

And also he will have lot of fans again after his pursuits at the end of year 5

Posted Jul 17, 2003 at 11:56 AM EST

Squib

House: Gryffindor
Points: 109

Remus_lupin says:

As to eho will die in book 6

It will definitely some one close to Harry and definetly it wont be the trio

My List of suspected deaths (one or more)
1. Hagrid - Reason his closeness to Harry
2. Cho Chang - I think she will try to win back Harry's Trust and might die trying to be sincere.
3. Lupin - might die in 7 book - he is the only father figure left for Harry.
4. One of the other Weasely Brothers or both of them in case of the twins.
5. Luna Lovegood - I think Harry and the Veil will be the reason for it.

Posted Jul 17, 2003 at 12:07 PM EST

Madam Librarian

House: Gryffindor
Points: 13160

I-Pie says:

Why do we keep wanting to kill people off in Book 6? Did
JKR say she was planning to wipe out anymore major
characters?

I do not think Sirius' portrait can go in DD's office. From
the books, I assume that privilege is reserved for former
Headmasters. Also, for the portrait to talk, etc., do you think it has to be in a magical house? Send it to the
Weasley house so Molly and Sirius can keep bickering about
Harry.

Posted Jul 17, 2003 at 12:52 PM EST

Wizard

House: Slytherin
Points: 533

dimtick says:

Tatipotter: I see Harry become much closer with Lupin, now that he is the only one of his fathers group left (wormtail having gone to the dark side is as good as dead). Maybe Harry will try to find some of his mother friends and learn more about Lily. Wasn't she a group of friends by the lake in Snapes memory? I also see Harry trying to reach out to Snape, but being rebuffed. Snape wont come around until book 7.

Remus Lupin: my death list -
#1 Dumbledor -
#2 Ginny - feel like one of the Weasleys is gone, I don't think it will be Ron, but maybe Ginny. Maybe she will try to help Harry as she did in OoP and be way over her head. She has shown she can handle herself, but may become over confident and do something careless. Her death would completely cruss all the Weasleys as well as Harry (as the only girl Weasley). May push Ron into doing something stupid like taking on V himself.
#3 Hermoine - her death would really effect Harry & Ron, beyond the friendship part, they totally depend on her intellect. This might bring Krum back into the picture.
#4 Neville - I don't think he will drop (if he does) until book 7. see him really coming into his own in Book 6.

Posted Jul 17, 2003 at 12:57 PM EST

Witch

House: Gryffindor
Points: 643

Hermaninny says:

Tatipotter, as far as the veil goes, no one's quite sure what it is (may be why it's in the department of mysteries). It's some sort of portal between life and death. Harry was compelled to it, he could hear the voices behind it (maybe his dead parents and Cedric?) and Luna also was aware of the voices, and she's experienced death, too.

The portrait matter for Sirius, I personally would love to see one. But realistically, we don't really understand how the portraits come to life, so to speak. Would Sirius had had one drawn, being as he turned his back on his family and was rather young when he went to Azkaban? I doubt one can be produced postmortem.

Posted Jul 17, 2003 at 1:03 PM EST